Who do you THINK will win the election?

[nhstarter10]

Hes going to raise taxes on people... how else? IMO we are all going to be broke pretty soon lol.

[noodlesalan]

UGh, I knew this was going to get out of hand... T.T

So majority says Obama...

and with 2 days until election day...

[sirlaughsalot]

UGh, I knew this was going to get out of hand... T.T

So majority says Obama...

and with 2 days until election day...

I <3 debate threads because i always win but seriously, this is the internet, it tends to lean towards the left...

[Runescapian321]

I <3 debate threads because i always win but seriously, this is the internet, it tends to lean towards the left...

It's not too hard to win when you're arguing against Obama/for McCain

I'm not giving up my hopes on McCain though, he has a decent chance. I'd say it's probably like 64% chance that Obama wins, 35% that McCain wins, 1% Other (Ralph Nater wins, the world blows up, all the candidates die, etc O_o).

[sirlaughsalot]

It's not too hard to win when you're arguing against Obama/for McCain

I'm not giving up my hopes on McCain though, he has a decent chance. I'd say it's probably like 64% chance that Obama wins, 35% that McCain wins, 1% Other (Ralph Nater wins, the world blows up, all the candidates die, etc O_o).

I think that McCain will win, but Obama will be the President, hopefully the ACORN effects will be reversed but i doubt it. I do think its funny the past 2 elections republicans have won without the state with the most electoral votes.

It also is kinda funny that in the days when racism was rampant in the south were the days when the Democrat's controlled them. Yet black people follow Democrats en-masse (not all mind you, but the majority). It really is sad because Democrats know that if you want to have power you have to have people below you and have them rely on you. So they promise all of these social programs to make them reliant on the government.

All of this stuff is very elaborate and i think highly intelligent on the Democrats part, but the ideas they preach are impractical and intend to keep people opressed.

[noodlesalan]

But yea, if someone actually wastes their vote with Nader.... no comment.

[TViYH]

I'm writing in a nominee: Brian Peppers.

That'd be hilarious.
I take that back.
That would be terrible.

[nobody u kno]

Im very surprised to see that the majority of the people on this thread are for McCain. All the other threads ive ran into on the internet are full of ill-informed and media brainwashed liberals who couldnt form their opinion if their life depended on it.

[noodlesalan]

Uhm, most of the people here are liberal, not conservative.

The people who are conservative are voicing their opinions the most, that's why.

[Widget]

Why do all the pro-McCain posts suddenly calling everyone else ignorant/brainwashed? Obama plans to pay for his new programs by getting rid of useless government-funded programs, I'm pretty sure he's said that on all three of the presidential debates, but it's not like any McCain supporters would watch that.. Also, isn't Obama just raising taxes to pre-Bush times? It's not that severe...

Why does everyone keep calling Obama Socialist? "Baby steps" my arse, Socialism is NOT the same as a Communist Totalitarian Dictatorship, get it through your head.

(Offtopic, but are words like communist supposed to be capitalized?)

[kingarabian]

I <3 debate threads because i always win but seriously, this is the internet, it tends to lean towards the left...

Congratulations for being class-less.


@runescapeian

I have 6 children in my family including me. My parents like to have sex. More children the less taxes .

I dont like obama's tax plan because I myself want to have a career were I will make alot of money.

But I like his other plans.


And the reason why you mccain backers mainly win, is because the lack of obama supporters on this forum and what you guys like to debate is ridiculous when you know the facts.

[sirlaughsalot]

Why do all the pro-McCain posts suddenly calling everyone else ignorant/brainwashed? Obama plans to pay for his new programs by getting rid of useless government-funded programs, I'm pretty sure he's said that on all three of the presidential debates, but it's not like any McCain supporters would watch that.. Also, isn't Obama just raising taxes to pre-Bush times? It's not that severe...

Why does everyone keep calling Obama Socialist? "Baby steps" my arse, Socialism is NOT the same as a Communist Totalitarian Dictatorship, get it through your head.

(Offtopic, but are words like communist supposed to be capitalized?)

Because it is true, the majority of americans have been tricked in a way into their way of thinking, by the mainstream media (please if you are gonna debate with me read my other posts and bring up something new). He is gonna fund his programs with "useless government-funded programs". I have an extreme idea! How bout, we get rid of those programs, and dont replace them with anything else!

He is raising them to pre-Bush times he will not increase taxes so to speak, but he will not renew Bush's tax cuts so taxes will go up. Bush's tax cuts have prooven to be extremely beneficial to our country, our economy has been doing extremely well despite major setbacks. So raising taxes to "Pre-Bush" times will not be horrible but keeping the tax cuts would be better for our country...

Did anyone say they were the same thing? The point is it would proove to be disasterous for our country.

Congratulations for being class-less.


@runescapeian

I have 6 children in my family including me. My parents like to have sex. More children the less taxes .

I dont like obama's tax plan because I myself want to have a career were I will make alot of money.

But I like his other plans.


And the reason why you mccain backers mainly win, is because the lack of obama supporters on this forum and what you guys like to debate is ridiculous when you know the facts.

I dont understand what you mean by "class-less" I think it is meant to be an insult but i will assume the best that it isnt.

So you like his other plans of? Prematurely withdrawing out of the War in Iraq? That is just about all that i can think of that doesnt directly involve taxes.

Lack of Obama supporters?! Are you out of your mind? I cant seem to find the poll right now but there was one not too long ago and it was something like 50-20 Obama, there isnt a shortage of Obama supporters, McCain supporters just know what they are talking about.

Seriously that post did nothing to further your viewpoint, you did not say why you support Obama, or state any relevant facts...

[Widget]

You're missing parts of my point. I said that people are acting like un-lowering the taxes to pre-Bush times has nothing to do with socialism. Not only does McCain try to link it to socialism, but he goes on to describe things more related to communism, which past experience shows doesn't work well (though never properly executed in theory, they were mainly dictatorships and those are guaranteed to never end well).

I think I've already said this before, but your arguments tend to be the "You don't know what you're talking about, you've been brainwashed by the liberal media/fact-checkers/presidential debates and such" kind. You've pretty much copy/pasted the entire McCain campaign, which even Fox News has called them out on, and they're definitely not liberal in the least. You go out on mainstream media, but conservatives tend to try to knock out non-mainstream competition, so I can't figure out how that works (lobbying ftl).

Unlike McCain, Obama was raised in a rather poor family. He had to rely on his brains and determination to get the scholarships to even get through college. I'm in a similar position (though from debt, not lack of money, my family's net worth is low regardless), but unlike him, I miss out on quite a few scholarships from race/income/IQ and it seems like it will be a lot harder to get a student loan now.

[Offtopic but I'm still curious, why are gas prices still dropping even though the economy has bounced back a fair amount? It's 2.479 USD/Gallon here now, seems to be going down about 2 cents a day]

[kingarabian]

Because it is true, the majority of americans have been tricked in a way into their way of thinking, by the mainstream media (please if you are gonna debate with me read my other posts and bring up something new). He is gonna fund his programs with "useless government-funded programs". I have an extreme idea! How bout, we get rid of those programs, and dont replace them with anything else!

He is raising them to pre-Bush times he will not increase taxes so to speak, but he will not renew Bush's tax cuts so taxes will go up. Bush's tax cuts have prooven to be extremely beneficial to our country, our economy has been doing extremely well despite major setbacks. So raising taxes to "Pre-Bush" times will not be horrible but keeping the tax cuts would be better for our country...

Did anyone say they were the same thing? The point is it would proove to be disasterous for our country.



I dont understand what you mean by "class-less" I think it is meant to be an insult but i will assume the best that it isnt.

So you like his other plans of? Prematurely withdrawing out of the War in Iraq? That is just about all that i can think of that doesnt directly involve taxes.

Lack of Obama supporters?! Are you out of your mind? I cant seem to find the poll right now but there was one not too long ago and it was something like 50-20 Obama, there isnt a shortage of Obama supporters, McCain supporters just know what they are talking about.

Seriously that post did nothing to further your viewpoint, you did not say why you support Obama, or state any relevant facts...

You were bluffing when you said you win all debates.

Yes 50-20. But you do know that the poll is showing to the right of the screen of the forums. So anyone who wants to vote can vote. Alot of obama's backers dont go to the debate section to debate with yall. This forum also has ALOT of people living outside of the U.S. They probably vote to, without knowledge of politics atm. And isnt it ironic how most foreign countries back obama? (it was a study on cnn.com/google it)

LOL. Prematurely... I think obama's plan of getting the hell out of the middle east is pretty mature. I also like his health and education plans. His economy crisis fix plan is really good to. His foreign policy is pretty solid, cause in my opinion right now, bush's policy is fucked up.

For now I do like his tax plan, as my family's income could use the extra money. But for my planned future not really.

[mastaraymond]

I'm so glad I don't live in the USA. The madness about the elections, bah.

I hopes that hot Palin will win.

[noodlesalan]

Less than 1 day guys until we get to vote.....

[sirlaughsalot]

You're missing parts of my point. I said that people are acting like un-lowering the taxes to pre-Bush times has nothing to do with socialism. Not only does McCain try to link it to socialism, but he goes on to describe things more related to communism, which past experience shows doesn't work well (though never properly executed in theory, they were mainly dictatorships and those are guaranteed to never end well).

I think I've already said this before, but your arguments tend to be the "You don't know what you're talking about, you've been brainwashed by the liberal media/fact-checkers/presidential debates and such" kind. You've pretty much copy/pasted the entire McCain campaign, which even Fox News has called them out on, and they're definitely not liberal in the least. You go out on mainstream media, but conservatives tend to try to knock out non-mainstream competition, so I can't figure out how that works (lobbying ftl).

Unlike McCain, Obama was raised in a rather poor family. He had to rely on his brains and determination to get the scholarships to even get through college. I'm in a similar position (though from debt, not lack of money, my family's net worth is low regardless), but unlike him, I miss out on quite a few scholarships from race/income/IQ and it seems like it will be a lot harder to get a student loan now.

[Offtopic but I'm still curious, why are gas prices still dropping even though the economy has bounced back a fair amount? It's 2.479 USD/Gallon here now, seems to be going down about 2 cents a day]

Have you not heard that Barack Obama said he wants to "redistribute wealth" thats pretty socialistic to me (possibly even communistic).

Fox news called them out on what? People seem to think Fox News is very conservative, it really isnt. There are talk shows that have to do with current events, those tend to lean towards the right (they still even try to get people from both sides of the debate ex. Hannity and Colmes), but their actual news reporting is pretty much in the middle, they try to interview people from both sides, question both sides pretty harshly.

You were bluffing when you said you win all debates.

Yes 50-20. But you do know that the poll is showing to the right of the screen of the forums. So anyone who wants to vote can vote. Alot of obama's backers dont go to the debate section to debate with yall. This forum also has ALOT of people living outside of the U.S. They probably vote to, without knowledge of politics atm. And isnt it ironic how most foreign countries back obama? (it was a study on cnn.com/google it)

LOL. Prematurely... I think obama's plan of getting the hell out of the middle east is pretty mature. I also like his health and education plans. His economy crisis fix plan is really good to. His foreign policy is pretty solid, cause in my opinion right now, bush's policy is fucked up.

For now I do like his tax plan, as my family's income could use the extra money. But for my planned future not really.

I wasnt bluffing, I was joking, I wasnt trying an intimidation tactic...

The people living outside the US tend to lean towards the left as well... Foreign countries back Obama because they want to be in the limelight, they want to be the world power

Do you know what his plan is? I was not aware he had written any major legislation... I personally think that we are almost done in Iraq, but it is stupid to put any condition of leaving a place we are needed other than winning, especially because we CAN win, its not like this is an unwinnable war...

Foreign Policy? Solid? *Thinks about that for a second* Are you talking about Obama? Seriously? Has he written any major legislation? Or served in an executive position? He wants to invade Pakistan, a nuclear country, thats pretty reckless if you ask me, especially as him being an inexperienced senator...

Okay, so you think it is okay to give people who dont pay taxes "tax breaks"? Your family is going through tough times and I am sorry, but being dependant on the government will do nothing for you, it is coming from someone else higher up the chain, and because of the taxes cannot employ people. Everyone is going through hard times, dont think you are the only one, but having the government come in and take over everything is impractical.

[tarajunky]

I think obama's plan of getting the hell out of the middle east is pretty mature. I also like his health and education plans.

He no longer wants out of the Middle East. He used to want that, but now he's planning on leaving 80,000 troops in Iraq indefinitely, and escalating the war in Afghanistan. If anything, our total spending in the Middle East should go UP.

As far as his health plan, it's kind of a mess. It's based on HMO's, so there won't be any major cost reductions. And he won't cover everyone. And it will be extremely expensive. And he has said that he will fine people that don't buy health insurance, but won't tell anyone how much that fine will be, or who exactly will be targeted.

He has no education plan. At least none that matters. K-12 is where our system is failing, and he does literally nothing to address that. He wants to add 2 more years of pre-k, which would mean every child starts school at the age of 3. This is feel-good bunk. Studies have proven over and over and over again that pre-k has no lasting educational benefit whatsoever. It's free babysitting, nothing more. And then once the K-12 system spits out failed students, he wants to herd them into college on the taxpayer's dime. Utterly ridiculous and counterproductive.

[Markus]

I'm so glad I don't live in the USA. The madness about the elections, bah

That's what happens when you got a 'democracy' with only two parties.

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[Naum]

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[Laur€ns]

Obama. Because he has charisma.

[Yakman]

[Offtopic but I'm still curious, why are gas prices still dropping even though the economy has bounced back a fair amount? It's 2.479 USD/Gallon here now, seems to be going down about 2 cents a day]

falling demand,
less people building stuff or whatever,

clearly the economy has not bounced back as much as was hoped,
OPEC countries actually cut their production to try to increase the price.

[kingarabian]

Isnt lower gas prices a good thing...?

[nobody u kno]

Lower gas prices is prolly the left wing lowering the prices around the election to show that we dont need to start offshore drilling.

Conspiracy theories lol, but i think that is kind of believable.

[Runescapian321]

Sirlaughalot and Tarajunky have already replied to these, but I'll put my own opinion in...

EDIT: Whats up with the quote tags >_<?

[QUOTE]You're missing parts of my point. I said that people are acting like un-lowering the taxes to pre-Bush times has nothing to do with socialism. Not only does McCain try to link it to socialism, but he goes on to describe things more related to communism, which past experience shows doesn't work well (though never properly executed in theory, they were mainly dictatorships and those are guaranteed to never end well).[\QUOTE]

"un-lowering the taxes"? I hear he wants to cut taxes 'For 95% of Americans' >_< He cuts taxes for the middle class, takes money from the harder-working upper class (not saying that the middle class doesn't work hard, just saying that, in most cases, the people with more money work harder/have worked harder to get to that point). That is definitely a start towards socialism

Unlike McCain, Obama was raised in a rather poor family. He had to rely on his brains and determination to get the scholarships to even get through college. I'm in a similar position (though from debt, not lack of money, my family's net worth is low regardless), but unlike him, I miss out on quite a few scholarships from race/income/IQ and it seems like it will be a lot harder to get a student loan now.

Your point? Sure, he may have had to work harder, but that doesn't mean that he's smarter/better.

And isnt it ironic how most foreign countries back obama? (it was a study on cnn.com/google it)

I'm not generalizing here, but my relatives in Europe, when asked about the election, usually say "I hope the black guy wins". When I'm in Europe (or at least Lithuania), it seems that quite a few people are racist and usually look down on the few African-....Europeans? there are as uneducated and stupid :\ Of course, as we all know, that's not the case. But, from that, I assume that they imply that since Obama is black, that he wouldn't make a good President, and therefore would make the US weak. Henceforth, they hope he wins and weakens the US. Again, I'm not saying that all Europeans think like this, this is merely what I've seen in my experience in Europe.


Or another theory would be that since quite a few European countries have a Socialistic government (I think?), they know what Obama plans to do and want the US to be like them, but that's probably unlikely.

LOL. Prematurely... I think obama's plan of getting the hell out of the middle east is pretty mature. I also like his health and education plans. His economy crisis fix plan is really good to. His foreign policy is pretty solid, cause in my opinion right now, bush's policy is fucked up.

For now I do like his tax plan, as my family's income could use the extra money. But for my planned future not really.

I still fail to see your logic in leaving a country in chaos >_<

His problem with healthcare (I think I already mentioned it, not sure) -

Ok, so the government pays for all of it. Where does the government get this money? - Taxes. Now, the price of healthcare obviously depends greatly on doctors (how many there are, how expensive operations are, etc.). Most doctors make over the 250,000 that Obama would reduce taxes on, and therefore doctors would be getting taxed more. There would be less motivation for younger people to become doctors because it wouldn't be worth going through all those years of med school and residency just for an OK paying job. == Higher healthcare prices == Higher taxes.

If Obama could get all of this money for stuff (Healthcare, New energy, etc.), I'd be amazed. Furthermore, if he was to do that AND cut taxes AND start paying off the US's debt to other countries, I'd be twice as amazed. But to get all this money solely from removing governmental programs that have no use? Not going to happen. If you could get all of this money from just doing that, don't you think somebody would have done it long ago? This just indicates how inexperienced Obama is.