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    Quote Originally Posted by NiCbaZ View Post
    How could they sue us, SCAR is not made for runescape There are very little RS functions in Scar
    No, but they could try to sue SRL. That said, if they did they'd just end up losing money, since there is next to nothing we could fork over.

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    i think the concern is that they (jagex) might see it as a win, since they will be making more money now that less people are botting. this is of course stupid as many people in SRL are also members, and many of those are only playing rs because they can bot, (ie they wouldn't be members/playing rs still if there was no botting). who knows, jagex has already proven that they are stupid, maybe bots scare away 2 yr olds because they don't talk? wouldn't put it past jagex =p

    (but i still don't think they can sue SRL and win)
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    Actually, if this ruling were to apply to Runescape, Jagex could sue every single player for million of dollars per time playing Runescape. If loading it into RAM is copyright infringement, downloading the client to your hard drive (signed) or RAM (unsigned) to play it is copyright infringement too. In fact, NVidia and ATI could probably be sued since they don't make an effort to not duplicate the picture of the Runescape client (copyright Jagex of course) which is being sent out the VGA port to your monitor. (Not preventing the spread of copyright material is also criminal according to various BitTorrent tracker cases).

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    <~Channel6> The Blizzard v Glider case only applied to Blizzard's trademark, and it only applies when you MODIFY a game when in RAM.

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    Blizzard is a much bigger company than Jagex, if Blizzard lost a lawsuit then it wouldn't be much of a loss, Jagex don't have as much money to risk.

    (I may have slightly got addicted to WoW lately :P)

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiCbaZ View Post
    How could they sue us, SCAR is not made for runescape There are very little RS functions in Scar
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think theres actually NO Runescape functions in SCAR, its just SRL was the great addon developed for use on Runescape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think theres actually NO Runescape functions in SCAR, its just SRL was the great addon developed for use on Runescape.
    SCAR has these:
    SCAR Code:
    RS2 specific functions

    function rs_GetUpText: string;
    Gets the text displayed in the upper left corner of the screen.

    function rs_GetUpTextAt(x, y, TextLength: Integer): string;
    Gets the text with the specified length (TextLength) (in UpText font) from the coordinates x, y. Check the UpText chars for where you have to pick the y coordinate (the top pixelrow of the char. For the x coordinate pick the column where the first pixel of the character occurs.

    procedure rs_DeleteUID;
    Deletes the UID file.

    function rs_DeleteUIDEx(Folder: string): Boolean;
    Searches for the uid file in the folder you enter and return true if the file was found and deleted.

    function rs_FindMMColors(Color: Integer): TIntegerArray;
    Returns all colors on the minimap that are similar to the entered color, using an advanced color comparison method.

    function rs_OnMinimap(x, y: Integer): Boolean;
    Returns true if a coordinate is on the minimap.

    It's just that most of them are overridden by SRL or just not used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senrath View Post
    SCAR has these:
    SCAR Code:
    RS2 specific functions

    function rs_GetUpText: string;
    Gets the text displayed in the upper left corner of the screen.

    function rs_GetUpTextAt(x, y, TextLength: Integer): string;
    Gets the text with the specified length (TextLength) (in UpText font) from the coordinates x, y. Check the UpText chars for where you have to pick the y coordinate (the top pixelrow of the char. For the x coordinate pick the column where the first pixel of the character occurs.

    procedure rs_DeleteUID;
    Deletes the UID file.

    function rs_DeleteUIDEx(Folder: string): Boolean;
    Searches for the uid file in the folder you enter and return true if the file was found and deleted.

    function rs_FindMMColors(Color: Integer): TIntegerArray;
    Returns all colors on the minimap that are similar to the entered color, using an advanced color comparison method.

    function rs_OnMinimap(x, y: Integer): Boolean;
    Returns true if a coordinate is on the minimap.

    It's just that most of them are overridden by SRL or just not used.
    Wow, didn't know about them. Well you learn something new every day . But yeah most things that are originally in SCAR are a bit more wider ranged, while SRL functions are mainly focused on Runescape.

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    The only people Jagex could sue would be the actual owners of SCAR or whatever bot you so choose to use. Script makers/users would be fine aside from the normal account banning.

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    My opinion:
    SMART\Reflection Illegal, I think!
    SCAR doesn't cost. Legal!
    SCAR does not mention RuneScape anywhere,
    Only RS, which could mean:
    Rainy Shower
    Random Sh
    Or any two words beginning with R-S Legal!
    SCAR only breaks ONE in-game rule Legal!
    Hopefully no-one has a criminal record here Legal!
    There. Correct me if I'm wrong, thanks.

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    Sorry ive not read the thread but if you actually read the Glider forums you would see that they haven't won yet and are still deciding on it. Judge Campbell is going to make a decision this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamish909 View Post
    Sorry ive not read the thread but if you actually read the Glider forums you would see that they haven't won yet and are still deciding on it. Judge Campbell is going to make a decision this week.
    Not fully yet, just a small matter before.
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    I doubt we have much to worry about because this seems to be the main problem and giving them their right to sue-
    the theory that loading a copy of WoW into a computer's memory represents copyright infringement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadProcessor View Post
    My opinion:
    SMART\Reflection Illegal, I think!
    SMART/Reflection are not illegal in any way.
    They do not alter the coding of the game, the client, or mess with any server-sided functions. They merely use what is on the screen before them.

    Quote Originally Posted by almost View Post
    I doubt we have much to worry about because this seems to be the main problem and giving them their right to sue-
    That isn't really the problem either. Its that Glider has a bot that is specificly design to break their ToS of using automated programs. As it is said here, SCAR is not Runescape specific. It was not designed for that. It is an open-source (for lack of a better term) that we are free to mess with. What we intend to use it for does not reflect on the creators of SCAR.

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    ORDER. At the end of the recent bench trial, the Court informed the parties that it would try to issue a decision this week. The Court has not completed its decision. The decision likely will be issued next week. Signed by Judge David G Campbell on 1-16-09. This is a TEXT ENTRY ONLY. There is no PDF document associated with this entry. (DGC) (Entered: 01/16/2009)
    Btw in same forum they informed its been delayed another week.
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    scar fails at being only a RS bot

    sucks for RSBOT lol..

    besides, if they sued us.. they would break their cover of them spying on us so we need one of the agreement thing they have at mopar and maybe we could add like a fine, lets say 1 MILLION DOLLAR USD if a jagex employee looked into this site
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    hmm hope that doesn't happen on rs :X

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drop Deadv2 View Post
    hmm hope that doesn't happen on rs :X
    you don't have to pay for scar so i think won't happen and jagex is not as big time as blizzard and if anyone is gonna qq me for saying it just accept the fact that there goes way more money into wow then into runescape, has way more users,...

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    The shit can happen to neXus

    Btw Narcle, that happened 6 months ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by n3ss3s View Post
    The shit can happen to neXus

    Btw Narcle, that happened 6 months ago
    I said that. Also I have insider info since I'm a glider. The last post I made is recent... they are still waiting on a ruling.
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    Thats so dumb. Blizzard is to out to get money. There making enough already.

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    Update!
    Posted by Mercury January 28th, 2009 on MMOGlider forums.
    The judge just ruled and, unfortunately, it did not go much our way. He pretty much awarded everything to Blizzard again.

    Here's a link to the order: http://www.mmoglider.com/Legal/trialorder_jan28.pdf

    What this means for Glider customers
    The judge asked us to file a memo by February 13th on why we should be allowed to continue to sell Glider through the appeal process.

    I'm not sure why he asked for that, since I don't think he's going to start listening to us now. So we'll file it and see, but it seems very likely that he will rule against us. Then we'll go up to the 9th circuit and try to get a stay, similar to how the Napster case went.

    If all goes badly, Glider could be shut down as early as mid-February. So keep your fingers crossed.
    Posted by Mercury January 30th, 2009 on MMOGlider forums.
    I just wanted to get a quick reply up on this, since people are telling me that we're shutting down in February, which is not quite true. That may or may not happen and the possibility of that happening is not something we can really measure.

    But I can lay it out and you can decide on your own. Here's what's going to happen:

    1) February 13th, both parties file regarding injunction and whether/how we can continue to sell during the appeal process. He asked for this in his ruling on Wednesday this week.

    2) Sometime after that, maybe a week or two, Judge Campbell rules. If he rules in our favor, nothing else happens - we're good to go through appeal and this process ends. If he rules against us, then we go to step 3.

    3) We go to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals and ask for a stay through appeal. They gave it to Napster in 2000 and we have some good arguments, but who knows. If they give it to us, we sell through appeal. If not, we don't sell and Glider stops.

    So we have two chances here. Different people give us different odds at each step. For example, I am not very hopeful that Judge Campbell will give us a stay, since he has pretty much smoked us at every turn so far and clearly considers me to be a Very Bad Person. So in my opinion, that's maybe a 20% chance. Other people, such as lawyers outside of the team, think it is much more likely that he'll give us a stay - he wouldn't have asked for briefing if he had no intention.

    Similarly, there's no way to measure what'll happen at the 9th CCA if we don't get any mercy from Judge Campbell.

    Consider it two coin flips and you need to win one. We'll know on the first coin flip in about 3 weeks.
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