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    Default SRL Junior Member - Requirements

    So I was thinking about a couple of new ways of getting Junior Members from Registered Users, to prevent the mass spam.

    Currently they are:

    -Wait 7 days
    -Post 10 (non-spam) posts

    Am I correct?


    Well I was thinking, is the posting really needed, they'll have to wait whatever, so the 10 posts just encourages spam, a couple of my ideas are as follows:

    1. Just scrap the posting bit, but keep the 7 days waiting, or perhaps make it slightly longer, then you can see who really wants to be here, have the patience, get to know the community etc.

    2. This would only happen if the posting rule stayed (maybe even raised). Make a few of the more trusted SRL Members be allowed to lower post counts, so the Admins and Mods don't have to be doing it, as its a lot of work for a few people is a bit unfair. And if the SRL Members abuse this privelage (ie lower post counts when the posts aren't spam).
    For this rule to be put into action there will have to be a certain defination of spam.



    This probably won't happen, but I thought some people might think it was a good idea.

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    +1, most of the posts are like :

    Oo nice script, I'll try it ! Thank you !
    And some scripting ability should be required too.

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    I think it sounds like a great idea and I support it 100%.

    I personally think you should have to prove yourself just to be a junior member ( show you know the basics of SCAR, know how to Auto properly and have Basic Scripting knowledge).

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    I rekon only basic understanding though.

    And it would take a while for admins to check everyones ability. But then again it could come under the new people with SRL Members with extra powers.

    Thanks for the support though

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    Perhaps a quiz(but a larger one) like the one on moparscape wouldn't be a bad idea, to see if they even took a look at the forum?

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    i'm agree although i'm not a junior member yet ^^

    I think this forum is make to learn scripting, and not only take others scripts to auto.

    Everybody can learn how to script if he want, and if he don't want to learn, this forul is not for him

    (sorry if i made some mistakes :x)

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    This kind of thing had been discussed time and time again, I doubt anything will be changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brain View Post
    This kind of thing had been discussed time and time again, I doubt anything will be changed.
    +1;

    Its not going to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brain View Post
    This kind of thing had been discussed time and time again, I doubt anything will be changed.
    Even though that's probably true, I still support. Maybe 2 weeks, not posting requirement?

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    Or you can use systems already in place such as the report a post system. Works perfectly fine!

    And no to giving SRL Member more privileges. Not even mods can reset post counts. That involves access to AdminCP and obviously we arent going to give anyone who is not an admin access to that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbit View Post
    Or you can use systems already in place such as the report a post system. Works perfectly fine!

    And no to giving SRL Member more privileges. Not even mods can reset post counts. That involves access to AdminCP and obviously we arent going to give anyone who is not an admin access to that


    don't shoot yourselves in the foot by shooting the ideas down by saying "it's not gonna happen". We are not a bunch of stubborn people unwilling to change. When good suggestions come up, and then get well developed there is a possibility things willl change.

    I've been checking this thread since the beginning, and probably also has hobbit, and not posting just to let you guys go further deeper into the idea. So even if at the end you don't think anything will change it's still good to develop the idea.

    Also, if you notice, hobbit only said no to more powers for members, and no to pot count thingy.

    He didn't say anything about the post count requirement / time requirement because he is most likely considering how that might be good / bad in his head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbit View Post
    Or you can use systems already in place such as the report a post system. Works perfectly fine!

    And no to giving SRL Member more privileges. Not even mods can reset post counts. That involves access to AdminCP and obviously we arent going to give anyone who is not an admin access to that
    You can give restricted access to the AdminCP to any user. Like only able to edit users. I think, not really sure though. Correct me if I am wrong .

    Edit: Or you can create a special usergroup that can do that .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Da 0wner View Post
    You can give restricted access to the AdminCP to any user. Like only able to edit users. I think, not really sure though. Correct me if I am wrong .

    Edit: Or you can create a special usergroup that can do that .
    Yes but you cant define closely enough what people can edit.

    Along with editing users is editing their ranks, access masks, permissions, anything.

    So no.

    And either way, why would we give it to an SRL Member over our moderators..? Seems kinda silly.
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    i re-read the thread and thought it over.

    10 days wait, and some sort of test to get into JM. I am not sure if it would be possible to make it auto-JM depending on the test, but might be good idea. The test would contain a random mix of SRL Rules questions, Autoing Guidelines, and some very basic scar knowledge questions, and definitely some questions linked to how to auto properly.

    I'd think that multiple choice questions would be the only sensible kind of questions.

    But then again, as i said, i don't know how easy this would be to implement.

    And Hobbit, i'm under the impression that most users do think mods can reset post counts when it is a Spam into Juniors case.

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    Having just gone through the post count thing myself, it does seem to me that it encourages the creation of many low-quality 'fluff' posts.

    I'd like to see a greater focus on community ratings. Perhaps another bar graph indicator where rep is divided by post count (this could replace the 'today' graph, which seems to me to be a rather low-value indicator).

    To avoid penalizing talkative members who like to socialize in the general forums, posts in forums that are primarily social in nature would be excluded from the post count calculation. (Ideally the calculation would be forum-specific, but that's a lot more involved, just excluding certain forums is a pretty easy query).

    Just an idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbit View Post
    Yes but you cant define closely enough what people can edit.

    Along with editing users is editing their ranks, access masks, permissions, anything.

    So no.

    And either way, why would we give it to an SRL Member over our moderators..? Seems kinda silly.
    I don't meant just any SRL Member, just some that are more trustworthy, like have minimal/no infractions. Otherwise we may get some people like Hey321 was who went and proved that SRL Members aren't always trustworthy (sorry Sandstorm, just an example).

    And it would just be tried (if the method is possible) and if SRL Members abuse this, then it won't happen again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Da 0wner View Post
    You can give restricted access to the AdminCP to any user. Like only able to edit users. I think, not really sure though. Correct me if I am wrong .

    Edit: Or you can create a special usergroup that can do that .
    I believe that you can only give access to certain areas, not just one function, then some SRL Members would go along and delete users.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rasta Magician View Post
    i re-read the thread and thought it over.

    10 days wait, and some sort of test to get into JM. I am not sure if it would be possible to make it auto-JM depending on the test, but might be good idea. The test would contain a random mix of SRL Rules questions, Autoing Guidelines, and some very basic scar knowledge questions, and definitely some questions linked to how to auto properly.

    I'd think that multiple choice questions would be the only sensible kind of questions.

    But then again, as i said, i don't know how easy this would be to implement.

    And Hobbit, i'm under the impression that most users do think mods can reset post counts when it is a Spam into Juniors case.

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    Thanks for the support RM, and I like the idea, but like you I don't know how you can implement something like this, unless you do it in the SRL Member application style, and someone moderates it, then either lets them in or doesn't, depending on how many questions they got right.

    Only problem with that it the mass amount of people who register here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasta Magician View Post
    I'd think that multiple choice questions would be the only sensible kind of questions.
    But with this idea, I think it would be necessary to continually update the questions as the answers could be leaked...
    And give the test a time limit, noone would want a googler.

    And I think that current junior members who have not submitted a script, or something that shows their knowledge in some way, should have to take this test in order to keep their current status...
    I'm aware that this applies to myself, but I'm confident that I could come up with a script or pass a test. This would stop A LOT of leaching...

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Thanks for the support RM, and I like the idea, but like you I don't know how you can implement something like this, unless you do it in the SRL Member application style, and someone moderates it, then either lets them in or doesn't, depending on how many questions they got right.

    Only problem with that it the mass amount of people who register here.
    Couldn't you make it auto accept them as a member if they pass a certain % of the questions?
    This can easily be done using JavaScript.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Thanks for the support RM, and I like the idea, but like you I don't know how you can implement something like this, unless you do it in the SRL Member application style, and someone moderates it, then either lets them in or doesn't, depending on how many questions they got right.

    Only problem with that it the mass amount of people who register here.
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    What is MITB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    what is mirb?
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    a test is quite stupid and unnecessary. This forum does not solely include rs scripts, nor does it only include scripts in general. By posting your scripts on a forum, you're basically making it public. Its very contradictory to want to have your script be public, yet want to restrict the people that can use your script. Theres barely a difference between non registered users and junior members. I think it would save a lot of annoyances if the whole rank was deleted and it was put back to the way it was.

    I mean srsly, how much do you expect one person to want to do initially, when they've been given the chance to use your scripts. I'm sure that many people, if not most start out as people that are just in it for the money and whatnot, then they start to resent their ability to cheat being limited by others. Then they'll either whine and complain or they'll do something about it, and start to learn. Either way, when people that are in it solely for the money will tell you when there's something they don't like about your script, and it will be productive to you. If they go the other route, then they'll make their own scripts, and it will be productive to the community. By heightening the requirements, you're just making it harder for the community to grow, and diverting people that are simply curious away from the forums.

    That being said, i don't think that there's that much point in the SRL members either, unless your argument is to distinguish between new people and older more recognized members, but it still doesn't make much difference and isn't that bid of a deal. In general though, i don't think that what a few people say is going to make much of a difference. There have been multiple threads discussing this and other issues, and most of them haven't been done much about. Its all up the admins to decide and us discussing it ourselves doesn't really accomplish much (Though even as i'm writing this, im coming up with counter arguments to my own argument ).
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    Richard this all still doesn't change the fact that you can report posts!

    If it bothers you oh so much then why don't you do something about and actually report something?

    You have the ability already to do something yet you chose not to, so IMO only people who have a right to complain about this are people who actually take the time to report something they see rather than doing nothing and bitching about it.
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    I used to report posts quite frequently, but I was told on MSN by someone (can't remember who) that it doesn't actually get viewed. But if thats untrue, I'm sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    I used to report posts quite frequently, but I was told on MSN by someone (can't remember who) that it doesn't actually get viewed. But if thats untrue, I'm sorry.
    well, let me tell you that what you heard is completly untrue

    The reported posts actually make our job much easier, because we just have a look in there and go fix / take care of whatever is needed. Then the rest of the time we just do something because we're trolling the forums and bump into a thread / post that shouldn't be there.

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    Ahh, I'm sorry about that then. I'll make sure to report them in future.

    Whoever said on this thread that we should remove the first rank altogether (can't remember who), I think that that encourages leechers even more, then thats what causes the mass bans, with overuse of scripts as they won't read the rules or anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Whoever said on this thread that we should remove the first rank altogether (can't remember who), I think that that encourages leechers even more, then thats what causes the mass bans, with overuse of scripts as they won't read the rules or anything.
    You may be referring to me... However I meant that in order to keep the rank you would have to complete the requirements. Not lose the rank all together god no.
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