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    ok ive never blazed but ive talked about it with friends who do, and acording to them some people can be into it for there entire lives and there are no harmful effects, though i talked to a chick once who said her brother was compleatly fucked up in the head cause he blazed HEAVILY for like 2 years. now hes all weird and crazy. so i think its all the "everything in moderation" just like anything it can fuck you up if you take to much. Though i do know that some people have an "addictive personality" and that appairently is all genetic. if your parents were alchohalics or addicted to something then you might not want to ever drink or smoke or anything. And if you do then thats your own fault not the substance's faut.

    that being said, weather or not its bad for you, Canada needs to change its laws on weed. Your aloud to do anything you want except trafic it.. so pretty much the only way to get weed is to buy it from criminals. Now i donno who in the canadian government came up with this shit but dont you all see a problem with that? All those Canadian dollors are being put in the pockets of gangsters and pimps and drug dealers, and the governments laws are supporting it. so in my mind the evil of gangsters running around killing people outweighs the evil of a few kids going out and getting high. especualy when they would do it anyway cause finding someone who will sell weed is easyer than beer or ciggies for someone who is underage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djcheater View Post
    2) just becuase there are no pyhsical deaths from smoking it dosnt mean it ont harm you menatly, how many kill them selfs from deprrision from smoking weed?

    Yo, yo, yo.

    I want proof that something like that has EVER happened. In fact, the exact opposite is more often true. You have been listening to an uninformed source man.

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    i smoke a lot of weed, now i can say i dot have motivation left in me i dnt really care for school but thats not weeds fault i found something better in life. now i have tryed coke acid and pillz. weed dident make me do it i wanted to try it. frankly i dont see a prob with weed at all. our goverment are just ass holes.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Honestly I don't know whether its harmful or not, all I know is that it costs too much! And I like my money more than a small amount of good feeling..
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    I think smoking weed would be about as harmfull as normal smoking, or even 'healthier' because it isn't stuffed with all kinds of crap. But that's just a guess, I havent done any research on it.

    Alot of my friends smoke weed, I try to stay from stuff like that though.
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    AH FUCK IT! You smoke it you do, you dont smoke it you dont. Who gives a shit. Lets go out and get high if we do, and stop arguing about it if you dont.

    In the end its the users choice. No matter WHAT research says, it has a different effect on everyone because they are all unique.
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    What I'm about to say isn't my opinion, its just from what I've heard.

    Weed itself isn't that much of a dangerous drug, but by using it you may want to go onto something harder like heroin or cocaine.

    So it does harm you, but indirectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djcheater View Post
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    Weed is often smoked with tobbaco so thats already going to cause cancer

    2) just becuase there are no pyhsical deaths from smoking it dosnt mean it ont harm you menatly, how many kill them selfs from deprrision from smoking weed?
    smoking marijuna doesn't make you depresssed it makes you all happy and then you look like this ----->. Do some research first or at least just try it.

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    http://www.narconon.org/drug_information/marijuana_pot
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    http://www.narconon.org/drug_informa...uana_addiction


    The short term effects of marijuana use include problems with memory and learning; distorted perception; difficulty in thinking and problem-solving; loss of coordination; and increased heart rate, anxiety, and panic attacks.
    I'll let those links do the talking for me. Other then secondhand smoke from an Avenged Sevenfold concert I've never gotten high, and I don't plan to any time soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metalanca View Post
    http://www.narconon.org/drug_information/marijuana_pot
    and
    http://www.narconon.org/drug_informa...uana_addiction

    I'll let those links do the talking for me. Other then secondhand smoke from an Avenged Sevenfold concert I've never gotten high, and I don't plan to any time soon.

    YEAAH. They are some possible causes. I can get a swollen pancreas from taking a few paracetomol pills but it does not mean I will (I just read the sheet thinggy in the box to find that out :P)

    You CANNOT trust those studies. Why? Control group. EVERY ONE HAS A DIFFERENT REACTION to Cannabis, same as anything.
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    no need 4 weed when you're rolling out the ranarr seeds, yo! (added yo for max effect, yo!)

    Anyways... I'm in all for legalization of marijuana tbh, better than dealing with dealers that stab you down in a dark back alley (best argument ever, yo!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kakashi View Post
    no need 4 weed when you're rolling out the ranarr seeds, yo! (added yo for max effect, yo!)

    Anyways... I'm in all for legalization of marijuana tbh, better than dealing with dealers that stab you down in a dark back alley (best argument ever, yo!)
    Lol, someone who is not me knows a coke dealer, nicest guy in the world. As long as your not in a big gang city, you'll have nice dealers usually.

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    Just to let you know they won't legalise marijuana, considering they just raised it from a class C drug to a class B one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Just to let you know they won't legalise marijuana, considering they just raised it from a class C drug to a class B one...
    http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/scheduling.html

    From Wikipedia:
    Required findings for drugs to be placed in this schedule: [1]
    1. The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
    2. The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
    3. There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.
    It's been schedule I for quite awhile (unless of course you don't live in the US). Illegalness or not, it certainly shouldn't be schedule I. PCP is schedule II, but that's certainly more harmful :<

    Schedule II:
    (A) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse. (B) The drug or other substance has a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States or a currently accepted medical use with severe restrictions.
    (C) Abuse of the drug or other substances may lead to severe psychological or physical dependence." [10]
    This group includes Oxycodone, Codine, Codeine, Injected Amphetemines (including Meth), and Morphine. Most of these are extremely addictive painkillers, except for Meth which you probably know is still very addictive itself.


    Pot is not addictive, it's very hard to abuse (you'd have to inject yourself with lots of THC to kill yourself, it'd be impossible to smoke enough), and has many many medical uses for many many kinds of dideases and illnesses.

    Take a look at Schedule V:
    (A) The drug or other substance has a low potential for abuse relative to the drugs or other substances in schedule IV.
    (B) The drug or other substance has a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
    (C) Abuse of the drug or other substance may lead to limited physical dependence or psychological dependence relative to the drugs or other substances in schedule IV." [13]
    Schedule V substances are only available for a medical purpose.
    When you think about it, it doesn't even fit here. Cough syrup with small amounts of codeine belongs in this group, but pot doesn't fit into requirement C (or A since it's being compared to Schedule IV drugs)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruroken View Post
    Lol, someone who is not me knows a coke dealer, nicest guy in the world. As long as your not in a big gang city, you'll have nice dealers usually.
    I know plenty of drug dealers, my main one is a pretty nice guy. Also my friend who has started dealing cocaine is also very nice. Drug dealers only turn nasty if you piss them off, that is the same for many people though.

    Quote Originally Posted by metalanca View Post
    http://www.narconon.org/drug_information/marijuana_pot
    and
    http://www.narconon.org/drug_informa...uana_addiction




    I'll let those links do the talking for me. Other then secondhand smoke from an Avenged Sevenfold concert I've never gotten high, and I don't plan to any time soon.
    That first link states that "users have difficulty in thinking and problem-solving", I was discussing this with my friends the other day and we came up the conclusion that the only reason you got confused is because you think of so many things at once. A simple question which you would answer "yes" to when not high becomes a question which you analyze each part which affects your answer (almost a new level of thinking) but if you can control all these thoughts then you can do better than when not high. For example, whilst being high walking home I coded a full script in my head so that once I entered my house I knew exactly what to type.

    Anyone else have similar experiences?
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    I'm really bemused that you even care if weed is harmful or not. I'd be happy if people just thought I was stoned. I mean, its just such a low level drug in comparison to almost everything else. 6 grams of mushrooms makes weed look like vitamin c.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torrent of Flame View Post
    YEAAH. They are some possible causes. I can get a swollen pancreas from taking a few paracetomol pills but it does not mean I will (I just read the sheet thinggy in the box to find that out :P)

    You CANNOT trust those studies. Why? Control group. EVERY ONE HAS A DIFFERENT REACTION to Cannabis, same as anything.
    First off,
    Marijuana contains known toxins and cancer-causing chemicals which are stored in fat cells for as long as several months
    Finding chemicals causing cancer in marijuana is NOT a reaction.

    And pardon my French, but the "control group" theory you have about Narconon is bullshit. Saying everyone has a different reaction to Cannabis is like saying everyone has a different reaction to Heroin, Cocaine, or Ecstasy. It's true that people have different reactions to drugs, but there are overall effects of the drugs that effect people on a widespread basis.

    Besides, Narconon is a NON PROFIT organization, they wouldn't create bullshit control groups to put drugs in a bad light.

    You can think what you want about drugs, and you can go right ahead ingesting Marijuana, or any other drug, into your system. It's your body, and you alone have the authority to determine what happens to it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gearsnare View Post
    That first link states that "users have difficulty in thinking and problem-solving", I was discussing this with my friends the other day and we came up the conclusion that the only reason you got confused is because you think of so many things at once. A simple question which you would answer "yes" to when not high becomes a question which you analyze each part which affects your answer (almost a new level of thinking) but if you can control all these thoughts then you can do better than when not high. For example, whilst being high walking home I coded a full script in my head so that once I entered my house I knew exactly what to type.

    Anyone else have similar experiences?
    LOL nice justification.

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    I forgot where I read it from, but weed has been proven to do less damage then smoking
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    Well, harm is sort of relative. No physical harm afaik (or well, it's all shitty propaganda, hippies vs anti-drug people) so don't know and don't care who to listen to, but if you get caught for it you'll get a criminal record (atleast here, i'd assume about everywhere else too), and gl applying for a job with that, as atleast here most decent places will check it incase the person is some rehabilitated serial killer or a drug addict etc..

    And that "MAKE IT LEGAL BAWWW" stuff is just silly. I'm sure it'll be legalized because a bunch of teenagers whine about it on internet (a big part of which just going with the flow and haven't ever even seen weed, but it's cool to say you smoke it) without really doing anything about it, and anyone with any power starting some campaign about legalizing it is will just commit a political suicide. No offense to anyone.

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    Anyone who believes weed is dangerous should wake up and smell the flowers (eheheh). Here are some peer-reviewed studies.

    Some links showing that marijuana is unlikely to cause cancer.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...501729_pf.html
    http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessati...o-cause-cancer
    http://www.isegoria.net/2009/02/mari...mor-growth.htm

    And there are even studies showing that it slows Alzheimers.

    http://www.webmd.com/alzheimers/news...low-alzheimers

    “We believe … that the continued prohibition of cannabis jeopardizes the health and well-being of Canadians much more than does the substance itself or the regulated marketing of the substance. In addition, we believe that the continued criminalization of cannabis undermines the fundamental values set out in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and confirmed in the history of a country based on diversity and tolerance.
    - Canadian Senate Special Committee on Illegal Drugs. 2002. Cannabis: Summary Report: Our Position for a Canadian Public Policy.

    The Panel therefore suggests that the law be changed to permit cultivation [of marijuana] for personal use."
    - California Research Advisory Panel. 1989. Twentieth Annual Report of the Research Advisory Panel. State Capitol: Sacramento.

    "Following detailed consideration of the different options, the Federal Commission unanimously recommends the elaboration of a model which not only removes the prohibition of consumption and possession, but also makes it possible for cannabis to be purchased lawfully.
    - Swiss Federal Commission for Drug Issues. 1999. Cannabis Report of the Swiss Federal Commission for Drug Issues. Swiss Federal Office of Public Health: Bern.

    "The Commission recommends only the following changes in federal law: Possession of marihuana for personal use would no longer be an offense. ... Casual distribution of small amounts of marihuana for no remuneration, or insignificant remuneration not involving profit would no longer be an offense."
    - United States National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse. 1972. Marihuana: A Signal of Misunderstanding (The Shafer Report). U.S. Government Printing Office: Washington, DC.

    Heres a link about cancer and marijuana. http://www.safeaccess.ca/research/cancer.htm

    And heres a lot more peer reviewed studies.

    S. Sidney (September 1997). "Marijuana use and cancer incidence (California, United States)". Cancer Causes and Control 8 (5): 722-728.

    J. Huff & P. Chan (October 2000). "Antitumor Effects of THC". Environmental Health Perspectives 108 (10): A442-3.

    K.A. Rosenblatt et al. (1 June 2004). "Marijuana Use and Risk of Oral Squamous Cell Carcinoma". Cancer Research 64: 4049-4054.

    Parolaro and Massi. 2008. Cannabinoids as a potential new drug therapy for the treatment of gliomas. Expert Reviews of Neurotherapeutics 8: 37-49

    Galanti et al. 2007. Delta9-Tetrahydrocannabinol inhibits cell cycle progression by downregulation of E2F1 in human glioblastoma multiforme cells. Acta Oncologica 12: 1-9.

    Calatozzolo et al. 2007. Expression of cannabinoid receptors and neurotrophins in human gliomas. Neurological Sciences 28: 304-310.

    Ramer and Hinz. 2008. Inhibition of cancer cell invasion by cannabinoids via increased cell expression of tissue inhibitor of matrix metalloproteinases-1. Journal of the National Cancer Institute 100: 59-69.

    Preet et al. 2008. Delta9-Tetrahydrocannabinol inhibits epithelial growth factor-induced lung cancer cell migration in vitro as well as its growth and metastasis in vivo. Oncogene 10: 339-346.

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    Weed is definitely NOT harmful. Most Over-The-Counter Medicines are way more dangerous than weed.
    And Taken at higher doses, can lead to a horrible Overdose, Even Fatality.
    Weed, no matter how much you Smoke/Eat/ect. Can NOT and won't ever lead to a death by Overdose ect.
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    Well what i think, that Weed should be legal because some people when they drink will come very agrressive and weed just relaxes your mind


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    how about you think about this...im too lazy to google it for you cause i already know this crap and been smoking for like 2 years already....WHY THE HELL IS THERE MEDICAL MARIJUANA? So what are you trying to say, the gov is allowing a select few to get high and slowly kill themselves? Or maybe cause theres more PROS then CONS in weed. if theres no stamp on your researd then dont bother....those are all theories kids. if it wasnt scientifically proven, then it never existed.

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