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    As i weed smoker myself i can say weed should be legakl 100%
    but also most people are uninformed..people think that marijuana has no long term effects on u...but resent studys show that heavy weed smokers brains function the same way as a schizophrenics brain..and a heavy weed smoking schizophrenic's brain showed little to no activity when being scaned by a mri...also if you have mental illness in your family and u smoke weed...even if u dont have it or wouldn't have had it u have a much higher chance of developing it later in life....these are all the negitives i can think of
    now lets talk about the positives...weed makes life better if u live ur life and dont enjoy it why live at all..every1 i know who gets high is happy and cheerful while high (exept when the being crashing...) also weed would raise our government 11million dollars a year when taxed...boosting our economy not to mention all the money we would save on law inforcement...prisons and drug programs...+i cant say that weed smoking doesnt effect your driving...but i can say that ive been in a car with a stonned as hell driver and never once did he make a traffic violation or mistakes...on top of it comon...people have been somking for hundreds of years and were not gona stop...so i say fuck our government whos interfearing with our life liberty and presuit of happiness...because for most people i know happyness is only one joint..blunt..bubbler session...bong rip...varopizer or steamer roller away
    SO LEAGALIZE WEED
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    Quote Originally Posted by wisard 93596 View Post
    As i weed smoker myself i can say weed should be legakl 100%
    but also most people are uninformed..people think that marijuana has no long term effects on u...but resent studys show that heavy weed smokers brains function the same way as a schizophrenics brain..and a heavy weed smoking schizophrenic's brain showed little to no activity when being scaned by a mri...also if you have mental illness in your family and u smoke weed...even if u dont have it or wouldn't have had it u have a much higher chance of developing it later in life....these are all the negitives i can think of
    now lets talk about the positives...weed makes life better if u live ur life and dont enjoy it why live at all..every1 i know who gets high is happy and cheerful while high (exept when the being crashing...) also weed would raise our government 11million dollars a year when taxed...boosting our economy not to mention all the money we would save on law inforcement...prisons and drug programs...+i cant say that weed smoking doesnt effect your driving...but i can say that ive been in a car with a stonned as hell driver and never once did he make a traffic violation or mistakes...on top of it comon...people have been somking for hundreds of years and were not gona stop...so i say fuck our government whos interfearing with our life liberty and presuit of happiness...because for most people i know happyness is only one joint..blunt..bubbler session...bong rip...varopizer or steamer roller away
    SO LEAGALIZE WEED
    -wisard
    I would like to see this recent study and also a study saying the marijuana use increases your chance of developing mental illnesses that you were not suffering from before. And however I do agree taxing would make a lot of money, 11 million dollars is super low. It is estimated BC alone exports 7.5 billion dollars of marijuana.

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    i ment billion not million sorry lol
    and i belive there is a video on youtube...showing the brain activitys while being asked questions and so on...i dont know the name but the next time i talk to the person who showed me it i will ask for it
    sorry best i can do for now

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    I don't want a youtube video, I want a peer reviewed study.

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    ok when my mom gets home tomorrow morning i will ask for all the studies she printed me
    as she reseacherd it extensivly...because 1 she discovered me smoking and was extremly consered only about the mental illness
    i will show u the study
    and i just hope u know im not attacking weed...personally i still smoke weed even though i get drug tested...and i pass my drug tests cuz i smart like that
    although i resently slowed down on it....but anyways

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    Thumbs up No Harm

    I've been smoking for 2 years now and I know for a fact that it has not effected me. I have all A's in high school and all of the "long term symptoms" have never occurred for me.

    By the way, if you are worried about weed hurting your lungs I suggest using a vaporizer. Vaporizers burn only THC crystals and nothing else and are the #1 way to get you the highest. This allows you to use less weed and spend less. The only downside about vaporizers is that they cost around 500$. I have one and it was DEFINITELY worth the money.

    If you are interested in buying a vaporizer, I highly recommend using the Volcano Vaporizer. You can buy it by clicking here. They cost 539$ but are totally worth the money.

    (Wow, I got really off topic...)

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    THE TRUTH

    http://www.marijuana-addiction.net/m...de-effects.htm
    Marijuana side effects come from smoking or consuming the drug and marijuana side effects influence the mind and body of the user. Marijuana side effects can be as seemingly innocent as an increased appetite to as life threatening as lung cancer. Increased likelihood for accidents is also one of the marijuana side effects. Studies show that 6 to 11 percent of fatal accidents are contributed to by marijuana side effects. Other external marijuana side effects include legal problems, work and financial problems and troubles at home.

    Marijuana is most often smoked but can be eaten or steeped in tea to drink. Most over-doses occur actually when the drug is eaten because it is easier to consume a large dose all at once. Marijuana side effects from an overdose include toxic psychosis including hallucinations, delusions and a loss of self-identification. When smoked, marijuana is rolled up into a cigarette called a joint or smoked in a pipe or water pipe called a bong. Marijuana has many street names like pot, hash, chronic and there are many paraphernalia available to smoke it.

    Over 11 million people smoked marijuana last month. Many may not have severe marijuana side effects from taking the drug but many people will. Marijuana side effects include physical problems like breathing difficulties and deteriorating physical abilities. Despite a popular belief, marijuana side effects speed up the heart, blood and breathing rate. The body is taxed more and this speeds up the aging process just like methamphetamines do. The marijuana side effects from this extra exertion on the body include a higher risk for lung cancer, heart attacks and strokes.

    Marijuana side effects also wreak havoc on the brain when the drug is used habitually. The natural chemical balance of the brain is disrupted affecting the pleasure centers and regulatory systems. The ability to learn, remember and adapt quickly to changes is impaired by marijuana use. Depression often occurs with marijuana usage, which feeds into the cycle of more drug use to treat the pain created by drug use. This cycle of addiction is very powerful and users soon find that they cannot stop using the drug even if they want to.

    Marijuana addiction is a progressive disease and marijuana side effects include withdrawal and obsessive thought with the drug when it is not made available. Addiction is identified as a compulsive, uncontrollable craving for the drug even with pending negative consequences. Often users will attempt to stop smoking marijuana for an important event such as a job interview or court hearing and find themselves using very close or just before the event. This act goes beyond a flexing of willpower. This describes being enveloped by a disease that has taken control and needs to be treated.

    Spencer Recovery Centers has been successfully treating the disease of marijuana addiction for many years. Nationwide, intake for marijuana addiction has doubled for drug rehabilitation facilities. Many people are realizing that marijuana side effects are not to be taken lightly and need to be addressed by professionals.

    Spencer Recovery Centers brings together the best treatments of the medical community and the therapeutic sciences. Our professional staff and facilities have treated thousands of clients suffering from the effects of marijuana addiction. We have also conducted many successful interventions on initially reluctant clients who have gone on to live sober lives. Recovery does not need to be fully accepting at first to be effective. But it does take action so call us today for a private consultation of our services.

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    Other external marijuana side effects include legal problems, work and financial problems and troubles at home.
    Would be solved by legalization

    Most over-doses occur actually when the drug is eaten because it is easier to consume a large dose all at once.
    Maybe it's just me but I was under the impression that you can't overdose unless you're *really* trying to (someone care to +1 or contradict?)

    and there are many paraphernalia available to smoke it.
    Bongs, vaporizers, etc, all so you can't get lung cancer.

    The body is taxed more and this speeds up the aging process just like methamphetamines do.
    It's nowhere close to Meth or MDMA in terms of a stimulant...

    gateway drug blah blah blah
    A couple of studies (don't know if it's widely accepted) show that Tobacco is more likely to lead to hard drugs than Marijuana. I don't see why you aren't bashing tobacco as well since people actually are harmed from it quite commonly.

    Spencer Recovery Centers has been successfully treating the disease of marijuana addiction for many years. Nationwide, intake for marijuana addiction has doubled for drug rehabilitation facilities. Many people are realizing that marijuana side effects are not to be taken lightly and need to be addressed by professionals.
    Is this an ad?

    Spencer Recovery Centers brings together the best treatments of the medical community and the therapeutic sciences. Our professional staff and facilities have treated thousands of clients suffering from the effects of marijuana addiction. We have also conducted many successful interventions on initially reluctant clients who have gone on to live sober lives. Recovery does not need to be fully accepting at first to be effective. But it does take action so call us today for a private consultation of our services.
    Well what the hell! none of this can even be counted as valid if it's an advertisement... Why did I even bother replying D;

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    You only quote the sections you have a clear defense against. Please elaborate on the in balances it causes.

    Please re-read it and its entirety.

    Posted by IceFire908
    For the record this is how all this began, in December I started smoking pot as many of you have. A few months ago I started having withdrawal symptoms and serious imbalances in my brain chemistry. A few days ago I posted what I thought about the notorious drug in the discussion section of the forums and I was accused of trolling for merely saying nothing more than the truth and this is pot weakens your immunity system and kills brain cells, prior to popular belief it is not good for you in anyway and if you don’t believe me I have sufficient evidence and experience to back this up with.
    Quote Originally Posted by Widget View Post
    Would be solved by legalization


    Maybe it's just me but I was under the impression that you can't overdose unless you're *really* trying to (someone care to +1 or contradict?)


    Bongs, vaporizers, etc, all so you can't get lung cancer.


    It's nowhere close to Meth or MDMA in terms of a stimulant...


    A couple of studies (don't know if it's widely accepted) show that Tobacco is more likely to lead to hard drugs than Marijuana. I don't see why you aren't bashing tobacco as well since people actually are harmed from it quite commonly.


    Is this an ad?


    Well what the hell! none of this can even be counted as valid if it's an advertisement... Why did I even bother replying D;

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    Quote Originally Posted by IceFire908 View Post
    You only quote the sections you have a clear defense against. Please elaborate on the in balances it causes.

    Please re-read it and its entirety.
    You can't cite an advertisement as evidence.

    They're trying to convince people that it's highly addictive and that people that are "addicted" to it need treatment. Treatment from Spencer Recovery Centersâ„¢

    The parts I didn't reply are simply things I haven't had experience with and haven't heard of much before (and must not be common because of it).

    The cake is a truth, Jews did WTC, and pot is harmful.

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    I know many people that have smoked weed for a long time and come off it and describe it as "fucks you" - Pyro.

    I am not only here to promote the health risks involved with this drug I'm here to warn everyone what it will lead to, and trust me, it is not good what this stuff does to your brain.

    Yea I used to smoke every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.. but literally I'm just saying one day this stuff will cause serious havoc.

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    my guess is that pot is illegal because a few people get high and shot people. idk ive never tried it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by candytheif View Post
    my guess is that pot is illegal because a few people get high and shot people. idk ive never tried it.
    Actually it's illegal because it screws your brain.

    posted by Pyro
    I laugh over teenagers discussing whether there are any long term effects of smoking weed.

    Try knowing someone for 20+ years. From when they start smoking. And see how they are at the end of those 20 years smoking pot on a regular basis. Or as much as an average addict.

    You guys are complete tools if you think marajuana does not fuck you.

    And this is coming from someone who has on many an occasion smoked a joint etc. Im just saying. Regular use WILL fuck you. I dont care what study you bring up, or how you are cross country champion at your school. It will fuck you.

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    It isn't illegal over here.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizzup? View Post
    It isn't illegal over here.
    I'm retiring to amsterdam when I get to be really old and I'm gonna smoke a shit load of weed and be like Gandolf from Lord of Rings.

    Lucky mofo Wizzup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Widget View Post
    Would be solved by legalization


    Maybe it's just me but I was under the impression that you can't overdose unless you're *really* trying to (someone care to +1 or contradict?)
    While you can "overdose" on marijuana, you always will fall asleep before you get anywhere dangerous, and even this is nowhere close to the LD50.

    Bongs, vaporizers, etc, all so you can't get lung cancer.
    There are no conclusive evidence that marijuana causes lung cancer.



    A couple of studies (don't know if it's widely accepted) show that Tobacco is more likely to lead to hard drugs than Marijuana. I don't see why you aren't bashing tobacco as well since people actually are harmed from it quite commonly.
    Not so sure about this, but I believe the gateway hypothesis is not true and I believe wikipedia has a article on it that is pretty good.


    AND, there are no physical addiction from using marijuana. If you have a personality that get addicted easily maybe you should not be using mind altering substances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capricorn View Post
    AND, there are no physical addiction from using marijuana. If you have a personality that get addicted easily maybe you should not be using mind altering substances.
    No there is no physical addiction, but long term use damages anyone.

    Contrary to the belief that there is no physical addiction, there is a mental addiction which may even be worse than a physical one seeing as schizophrenia, bipolar, psychosis, and even hallucinations (all of which I have experienced first hand from this illicit and illegal substance)

    I will say this, if you still want to smoke without damaging your body try to only smoke the best weed you can find out of a bong or vaporizer as least often as possible i.e. 1-3 times monthly or less.

    But lets underlay the real question being asked here, is weed harmful or not harmful and the true answer is YES it is harmful. Simply put you can not say weed is not harmful, because to be honest it is anyone that says it isn't is being self justified to feed a habit. I will admit the drugs side affects and potency are quite exaggerated.

    God I'm going to miss my smoking days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IceFire908 View Post
    No there is no physical addiction, but long term use damages anyone.

    Contrary to the belief that there is no physical addiction, there is a mental addiction which may even be worse than a physical one seeing as schizophrenia, bipolar, psychosis, and even hallucinations (all of which I have experienced first hand from this illicit and illegal substance)
    Any peer-reviewed studies that prove that marijuana causes schizophrenia, bipolar and psychosis? Not only that, I fail to see any correlation between these mental illnesses and mental addiction unless you mean that people who have mental illnesses are more susceptible to drug addiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capricorn View Post
    Any peer-reviewed studies that prove that marijuana causes schizophrenia, bipolar and psychosis? Not only that, I fail to see any correlation between these mental illnesses and mental addiction unless you mean that people who have mental illnesses are more susceptible to drug addiction.
    Drug induced bipolar, and withdrawals from weed can be pretty miserable and include racing thoughts, temporary schizophrenia, psychosis ect...

    The correlation between them is the inbalances the drug causes in the brain.

    People that already have these mental illnesses, idk about that that's a different story. I'm talking about people who were problem free until they were introduced to pot.

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    For the record this is how all this began, in December I started smoking pot as many of you have. A few months ago I started having withdrawal symptoms and serious imbalances in my brain chemistry. A few days ago I posted what I thought about the notorious drug in the discussion section of the forums and I was accused of trolling for merely saying nothing more than the truth and this is pot weakens your immunity system and kills brain cells, prior to popular belief it is not good for you in anyway and if you don’t believe me I have sufficient evidence and experience to back this up with.
    Serious chemical inbalances? Kills brain cells? LOL!

    Top post mate I actually lol'd, I would be extremely interested to see a peer-reviewed study (a proper source) on these which you claim you have, in fact if you do the google search you'll see that both of what you just said are completely false. What Pyro should of said is "weed fucks some people", the people who are already predispositioned to get these mental illnesses that you're claiming are side effects/withdrawals (LOL)

    If youre treating anecdotal evidence as proper evidence which you seem to be doing, I've smoked daily for a year and a half, last year was my last year of high school and I got in the top 6% of my state and got into the country's best uni. I've met people who have been smoking for 40 years+, and yeah weed can fry you a bit but its all recoverable - stop smoking for a couple of weeks and you wont have short term memory loss, you will be able to function at your full capacity again. So, er.....

    Do some fucking research

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    Quote Originally Posted by IceFire908 View Post
    No there is no physical addiction, but long term use damages anyone.
    Long term use of LIFE damages anyone...

    Accept that the waters around you have grown.

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    If alcohol and cigarettes are legal, I see no problem with marijuana being legal. In fact, I would rather have it legal than cigarettes. Also, the only thing I use of the three is alcohol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Claw View Post
    Serious chemical inbalances? Kills brain cells? LOL!

    Top post mate I actually lol'd, I would be extremely interested to see a peer-reviewed study (a proper source) on these which you claim you have, in fact if you do the google search you'll see that both of what you just said are completely false. What Pyro should of said is "weed fucks some people", the people who are already predispositioned to get these mental illnesses that you're claiming are side effects/withdrawals (LOL)

    If youre treating anecdotal evidence as proper evidence which you seem to be doing, I've smoked daily for a year and a half, last year was my last year of high school and I got in the top 6% of my state and got into the country's best uni. I've met people who have been smoking for 40 years+, and yeah weed can fry you a bit but its all recoverable - stop smoking for a couple of weeks and you wont have short term memory loss, you will be able to function at your full capacity again. So, er.....

    Do some fucking research
    Did you just tell me to do some fucking research? To be honest I think I have more information about this plant than the common professional as well as first hand experience. This drug does weaken your immunity system, it does kill brain cells, the carcinogens from smoke are bad for you, and anyone that does know anything about long term smoking says it is bad for you. So I don't know how you can knock off everything you don't want to hear and reply with 'do some fucking research' that to me is the most ignorant thing I've read on this entire thread or board in a long time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruroken View Post
    Long term use of LIFE damages anyone...
    That's unavoidable

    Quote Originally Posted by Cheesehunk View Post
    If alcohol and cigarettes are legal, I see no problem with marijuana being legal. In fact, I would rather have it legal than cigarettes. Also, the only thing I use of the three is alcohol.
    If marijuana was legal it might solve a lot of problems but the real question being asked is whether or not this stuff is harmful, and to be simply put, yes it is.

    Cigarettes are the most retarded thing ever in my opinion, addictive cancer on a stick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IceFire908 View Post
    Did you just tell me to do some fucking research?
    I believe he did.
    To be honest I think I have more information about this plant than the common professional as well as first hand experience.
    And these professionals did studies on people with first hand experience
    This drug does weaken your immunity system,
    Says who?
    it does kill brain cells,
    Says who?
    the carcinogens from smoke are bad for you
    No one says they are not bad for you, but evidence from studies involving marijuana and if it causes lung cancer are inconclusive to if marijuana does cause cancer, even with all the carcinogens. It is speculated that THC and other cannabinoids that stop or slow down any cancer
    and anyone that does know anything about long term smoking says it is bad for you.
    We all know smoking is bad for you, what with the hot smoke and what not but I think you should do some research on how it is bad.
    So I don't know how you can knock off everything you don't want to hear and reply with 'do some fucking research' that to me is the most ignorant thing I've read on this entire thread or board in a long time.
    No, that is not ignorant. Ignorant is what you are. You refuse to accept anything from peer-reviewed studies and instead talk about how you experience deadly irreversible brain chemical imbalances and how you suffer from bipolar, schizophrenia and psychosis. Has a doctor or scientist ever seen you before you started smoking? Has one ever seen you after you stopped smoking? Did they do a study on you? Did they do a study on your friends? No, they did not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capricorn View Post
    I believe he did.

    And these professionals did studies on people with first hand experience

    Says who?

    Says who?

    No one says they are not bad for you, but evidence from studies involving marijuana and if it causes lung cancer are inconclusive to if marijuana does cause cancer, even with all the carcinogens. It is speculated that THC and other cannabinoids that stop or slow down any cancer

    We all know smoking is bad for you, what with the hot smoke and what not but I think you should do some research on how it is bad.

    No, that is not ignorant. Ignorant is what you are. You refuse to accept anything from peer-reviewed studies and instead talk about how you experience deadly irreversible brain chemical imbalances and how you suffer from bipolar, schizophrenia and psychosis. Has a doctor or scientist ever seen you before you started smoking? Has one ever seen you after you stopped smoking? Did they do a study on you? Did they do a study on your friends? No, they did not.
    Trust me, I know all about the 'good-side' of weed. I used to be a habitual user probably like yourself.

    Supposed good side

    It slows/cures cancer
    It doesn't cause cancer
    It is harmless

    Supposed bad side

    It can lead to psychosis, bipolar, schizophrenia
    Damage your brain after long term regular usage
    Kills brain cells
    Carcinogens from smoke
    Weakens immunity system

    Ultimately there is no clear evidence pointing in either direction. So I guess we're all going to make up our own damn minds on this one.

    Personally, I've had some good times doing the drug, and I've seen and experienced some fucked up shit happen.

    Probably my final word on this topic.

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