USA != Land of the Free!

[Smartzkid]

If I recall correctly the USA has the highest percentage of murders per 1000 civilians.
If no one had the right to bear guns, you wouldn't need them to protect yourself.

Making things illegal doesn't stop criminals from obtaining or building them.

And holding a gun doesn't at all 'stimulate' some 'instinct' to kill..


IMO American public education needs serious reform.

all social programs need to be removed also. Men aren't entitled to other men's money just because they exist.
Also, gun restrictions and things like that need to be removed.

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[Harry]

Ok here we start, i think that USA is not land of the freedom and so on, i think USA is land of smart people but without their own thoughts ( of course there is some people ) but mostly they are pretty stupid.. Some questions like, What is Europa? They will answer " Eruopa, what's that ? I thought USA is the whole world.. If you get my point

~Home

Worst..stereotype..ever.

If I ask anyone that I know that question, they will answer that it is Europe. The media makes all Americans look retarded, as how the media makes all Japanese look crazy ("tentacle raep anyone?!")...

You should never judge a country based on how its media portrays it.

[senrath]

Worst..stereotype..ever.

If I ask anyone that I know that question, they will answer that it is Europe.

Whereas if you ask most of my friends, they would answer something like: "Europa's a moon, duh."

[Harry]

Whereas if you ask most of my friends, they would answer something like: "Europa's a moon, duh."

You hang around retards then :/

Or the New York population is smarter than yours. I do not know. I just know no one that lives near me is that stupid.


Edit: Dual facepalm, I thought you were saying that they thought Earth's moon was named that.

[senrath]

You hang around retards then :/

Or the New York population is smarter than yours. I do not know. I just know no one that lives near me is that stupid.

No, I don't. Europa is the name of Jupiter's 6th moon. My friends are a lot more interested in science than geography and politics.

[Wizzup?]

Making things illegal doesn't stop criminals from obtaining or building them.

And holding a gun doesn't at all 'stimulate' some 'instinct' to kill..

Let's say you get into a situation where you might have to fight, you know, a little squabble. What if you happen to have a gun? Would you use it?

Also, I personally don't like the way your voting system works. Voting should just go by the number of civilians who voted for a certain person. The state system that is being used now is undemocratic if you ask me.
50k vote for 1 president, 60k for another, and all the 110k votes go to one president.
Sorry but, Wtf?

I still find the elections of 2000 intriguing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._Gore
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ection_results
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_..._Florida,_2000

EDIT:
I personally believe that everyone vote that is casted should be reflected in the government, therefore, there shouldn't be just one party ruling the USA, but rather use a system often used in real democratic countries.

[NiCbaZ]

True. Australia Is The Land Of The FREE


EDIT: Damn you wizzup?

[footballjds]

Your definition of free doesn't really equal mine...
I think the right on abortion is definitely a freedom that everyone should be granted.
So is the right to say whatever I want. I also think that everyone should have to freedom to 'use' what they want. (EG: Drugs, Food).
I think I also read somewhere that some states are against gays, or in particular gay marriage. (EG: Utah, Texas ...)Yachoman sure wouldn't like this.
I don't call that freedom.

EDIT: And I think guns should be banned. I wouldn't feel safe in America.

If you think abortion should be okay, then why isn't murder okay? They're the same thing. And don't tell me a baby isn't viable until it is out of the womb... When the USA constitution was written the viability of a baby was as soon as it was in the womb .

Also about the guns... You know that in downtown New York(or any other city, doesn't need to be that big) there will be gangs with guns. or just random robbers ect. with guns. whether or not by law they're allowed to have them. (same as drugs, people have em even though by law they shouldn't). A gun ban only takes guns from people that obey the law, if you obey the law your probably not a robber/killer. if you are a killer/robber you'd have a gun no matter what...
if you follow what i'm saying, "A gun ban would only effect the people using a gun in self defense."

[Wizzup?]

If you think abortion should be okay, then why isn't murder okay? They're the same thing. And don't tell me a baby isn't viable until it is out of the womb... When the USA constitution was written the viability of a baby was as soon as it was in the womb .

Also about the guns... You know that in downtown New York(or any other city, doesn't need to be that big) there will be gangs with guns. or just random robbers ect. with guns. whether or not by law they're allowed to have them. (same as drugs, people have em even though by law they shouldn't). A gun ban only takes guns from people that obey the law, if you obey the law your probably not a robber/killer. if you are a killer/robber you'd have a gun no matter what...
if you follow what i'm saying, "A gun ban would only effect the people using a gun in self defense."

And if you are a killer/robber you are a criminal, and you will be locked up eventually.
You are way better off without guns, but I fear the optimistic yet paranoid American civilians won't find out so soon.
Here, in the Netherlands, virtually no one has a gun. Simply because we don't need it because only the people who really want to do any harm have guns. (As you've stated, you can't stop those guys from getting guns on their hands.) We however, do not need to fear everyone on the street will and can just attack and rob us. Because they don't have a guy, you don't need one either, it's that simple.

On Abortion:
No, it's not. Abortion is not the same as murder. Perhaps in an imaginary God's eyes.
A baby isn't a baby until it has been born. Before he is born, it is up to the mother. Sure, there are certain limits. (EG: Several months after pregnancy, allowed, but not after X months.)
Don't tell me removing little sperm seed + egg is the same as killing a person.

[Home]

Worst..stereotype..ever.

If I ask anyone that I know that question, they will answer that it is Europe. The media makes all Americans look retarded, as how the media makes all Japanese look crazy ("tentacle raep anyone?!")...

You should never judge a country based on how its media portrays it.

I'm sorry ? I'v talked with few Americans ( Who visited here ) They really didn't know that we even exist

So i don't know about stereotypia..


~Home

[footballjds]

And if you are a killer/robber you are a criminal, and you will be locked up eventually.
You are way better off without guns, but I fear the optimistic yet paranoid American civilians won't find out so soon.
Here, in the Netherlands, virtually no one has a gun. Simply because we don't need it because only the people who really want to do any harm have guns. (As you've stated, you can't stop those guys from getting guns on their hands.) We however, do not need to fear everyone on the street will and can just attack and rob us. Because they don't have a guy, you don't need one either, it's that simple.

On Abortion:
No, it's not. Abortion is not the same as murder. Perhaps in an imaginary God's eyes.
A baby isn't a baby until it has been born. Before he is born, it is up to the mother. Sure, there are certain limits. (EG: Several months after pregnancy, allowed, but not after X months.)
Don't tell me removing little sperm seed + egg is the same as killing a person.

I think you missed my point about the guns
anyhow, about abortion. It is a matter of opinion when a baby is viable.
I'm justing saying im USA when our constitution was written a baby was considered viable as soon as it was there. But, that idea has definitely changed ....

And just for something funny[offtopicKinda..]Since everyone knows Obama is trying to ban guns. this is what one gun seller said, "Obama is the best gun salesman we could ever hope for." (AKA, Obama is going to ban guns so everyone rushes to buy them b4 he does rofl, . {that is just a joke to lighten the moment}[/offtopicKinda]

[Wizzup?]

And just for something funny[offtopicKinda..]Since everyone knows Obama is trying to ban guns. this is what one gun seller said, "Obama is the best gun salesman we could ever hope for." (AKA, Obama is going to ban guns so everyone rushes to buy them b4 he does rofl, . {that is just a joke to lighten the moment}[/offtopicKinda]

Pretty much shows the pathetic attitude of most civilians. They're terrified they "will no longer be able to protect themselves". Led by fear, they try to buy gun, even if the guns will be banned soon-after they've bought them. (<sarcasm>Makes sense, doesn't it?</sarcasm>)

What was your point about guns, then?

[footballjds]

well, ill try to explain my point about guns again...
1: "Bad guys" will have guns no matter what!
2: if guns are banned then, "civilians" won't have guns
3: anyone can get robbed by someone who has a gun(AKA, somone comes into a store and whips out a gun, everyone is screwed.... Whereas if there was somone with a license to carry they'd have a chance )

I don't know if I'm being clear enough

I guess its a matter of opinion, cause i suppose if the law was 100% enforced that would work. But USA seems to have a hard time enforcing things, such as there drug laws, they're not enforced...

[Torrent of Flame]

well, ill try to explain my point about guns again...
1: "Bad guys" will have guns no matter what!
2: if guns are banned then, "civilians" won't have guns
3: anyone can get robbed by someone who has a gun(AKA, somone comes into a store and whips out a gun, everyone is screwed.... Whereas if there was somone with a license to carry they'd have a chance )

I don't know if I'm being clear enough

I guess its a matter of opinion, cause i suppose if the law was 100% enforced that would work. But USA seems to have a hard time enforcing things, such as there drug laws, they're not enforced...

Bad guys have guns in the UK, there arent many armed robberies.

[footballjds]

Bad guys have guns in the UK, there arent many armed robberies.

Almost all (big)robberies in USA are armed

[Torrent of Flame]

Almost all (big)robberies in USA are armed

Well any BIG robbery is armed. You didnt say big robbery. There are numerous store hold-ups in America, where bad guys use guns. There are few in the UK, where bad guys use guns.

Its the avaliability of guns in the USA which means people can easily rob places.

[Wizzup?]

well, ill try to explain my point about guns again...
1: "Bad guys" will have guns no matter what!
2: if guns are banned then, "civilians" won't have guns
3: anyone can get robbed by someone who has a gun(AKA, somone comes into a store and whips out a gun, everyone is screwed.... Whereas if there was somone with a license to carry they'd have a chance )

I don't know if I'm being clear enough

The thing is, bad guys will always have guns, but this doesn't mean you need them too.
Say, you are being robbed by an armed guy, and you happen to have a gun too, would you kill him? (If you would, read a few pages back and tell me I am right about guns stimulating murders)
Most likely, you won't be able to grab your gun, and if you do, he will shoot you. (If you think he would, read a few pages back and tell me I am right about guns stimulating murders. In this case you grabbing your weapon makes him fire his gun out of self defence.)
If you don't have a gun, or simply don't draw it, you will be robbed. You report the incident to the police, and they will track the guy down. He will be imprisoned, and you will get your money back from the insurance. Even if he isn't tracked down, you will most likely get your money back.

I guess its a matter of opinion, cause i suppose if the law was 100% enforced that would work. But USA seems to have a hard time enforcing things, such as there drug laws, they're not enforced...

It also works if the laws are 99,99% enforced. The Netherlands is the living example of a country functioning well without guns being legal, and have very limited homicide.

[footballjds]

Well I am glad it works in the Netherlands!
But im not sure the law could be enforced...

[Home]

How about Finland ? We are good country too... ABout those homocide things ( you are so smart so can you check it somewhere )


~Home

[Wizzup?]

How about Finland ? We are good country too... ABout those homocide things ( you are so smart so can you check it somewhere )


~Home

I'm just using the Netherlands as example because I know it's laws well. I believe most European countries to be like this.

[bullzeye95]

Also, I personally don't like the way your voting system works. Voting should just go by the number of civilians who voted for a certain person.

I agree, the winner should be the person with the most votes, not the most electoral votes. I don't know why it works how it does..

If you think abortion should be okay, then why isn't murder okay? They're the same thing. And don't tell me a baby isn't viable until it is out of the womb... When the USA constitution was written the viability of a baby was as soon as it was in the womb .

An embryo not a living human, it's potential. Potential has no rights. Putting a potential human before a living human is much more unmoral than "killing" the embryo to benefit a living human.

[footballjds]

who said anything about putting it b4?
how about equal. not b4
and its one thing to kill it the second to know your pregnant, rather then wait a few months...

[bullzeye95]

By being anti-abortion, you are saying that an embryo should be put before a living human. If a woman wants an abortion, the government doesn't let her because they believe that the embryo shouldn't be harmed in any way, even to cause the woman to be happier. That's putting potential before living.
If they were equal in the law's eyes, the embryo would be removed, but kept alive, so as to not harm it in any way.

[JAD]

Your definition of free doesn't really equal mine...
I think the right on abortion is definitely a freedom that everyone should be granted.
So is the right to say whatever I want. I also think that everyone should have to freedom to 'use' what they want. (EG: Drugs, Food).
I think I also read somewhere that some states are against gays, or in particular gay marriage. (EG: Utah, Texas ...)Yachoman sure wouldn't like this.
I don't call that freedom.

EDIT: And I think guns should be banned. I wouldn't feel safe in America.

My opinion as opposed to Wizzup?'s.

I think it should be illegal to kill babies.

I don't think it should be illegal to carry guns. It's against the constitution. Not only that, just because guns become "against the law", does that mean criminals will stop using them? No, it just means that the good guys (law followers) will be unarmed against the criminals.

There are higher murder rates in states/cities that ban guns. OMG! People must not be following the laws!!

More taxes = less freedom to do what we want with our money. The government is going to take more of it and spend it on things they want, such as health care.


I am a 100% fiscal conservative.

[Wizzup?]

I don't think it should be illegal to carry guns. It's against the constitution. Not only that, just because guns become "against the law", does that mean criminals will stop using them? No, it just means that the good guys (law followers) will be unarmed against the criminals..

You will always be unarmed against criminals, even if you are armed. Different mindset, different intentions. You can't arm yourself against criminals, unless you are one yourself.