Windows XP or Ubuntu 9.04?

[MylesMadness]

wireless took me 2 days to get working even with wizzup and #ubuntu

[Coh3n]

Get get Ubuntu, a lot of people here are Winblows users, so of course they are going to chose their dominate OS instead of one they have never used, yet is a lot easier in my opinion.

Who would you trust?
Me, IceFire908, mixster, Nava2, Nazgand, Rubix, Shuttleu, Widget, Yakman
or:
bullzeye95, Da 0wner, Pure1993, Quickmarch, sapetto, Torrent of Flame?

Lol well I don't know...

My main issue now is the wireless as I'm always using it. Is there anyone else that has had the same trouble as bullzeye?

Wireless still does completely suck in Ubuntu though.. depending on how lucky you are, it could take quite a while to get it connected the first time. After that, it's reasonably good at auto-connecting (though not nearly as good/easy as Windows IMO).

See, now, that's the only reason I don't want to get Ubuntu now.

[Widget]

If your computer can handle GNOME pretty well (my 2GHz with 1GB RAM computer runs it fine) you can make it look really nice.

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You just have to remember to install compizconfig-settings-manager. Also, Add/Remove Programs is much better than the windows "look for the website then download the installer then virus scan it then install it" method

http://www.dividebyzerochan.org/images/screenshot4.png

Ubuntu is also the midway point between Vista's paranoia and XP's "I'll let you do everything regardless of who you are."

Also, the only time you need to restart Ubuntu is when you install graphics card drivers or update your kernel (and even then, you don't really need to reboot if you know how, but that's complicated )


Edit: I use a 50ft ethernet cable and I use my second ethernet port to bridge the connection to my server, so I can't really say anything for wireless.

[Coh3n]

wireless took me 2 days to get working even with wizzup and #ubuntu

That's what I don't want. Lol.

Also, Add/Remove Programs is much better than the windows "look for the website then download the installer then virus scan it then install it" method

Yeah for the short time I used it, that was the big thing I noticed, everything that I would need is really simple to install.

EDIT: After a long conversation with Shut about Ubu, it seems to be the better choice. If you think otherwise, speak now, or forever hold your peace.

[Shuttleu]

if you think differently then, HOLD YOUR PEACE!!!

~shut

[NCDS]

I have Ubuntu on my desktop as well as XP and I like it. I don't use it enough really to be able to switch to it permanently.I find it to be a hard choice though as they both have advantages over each other.

[Grunt]

The main thing I'm looking for is speed. I want my computer to be fast, but also have a good Word Processor with a good PowerPoint program. I know Ubu comes with OO, but I don't know exactly how good it is. Currently I use MO 2007.

If you are looking for speed, then go with MO 2007. (OO is quite the memory eater, your laptop will be a little slow running multiple OO documents.) In addition, it takes forever to get it started, especially open office draw.

In addition to just MSWord, you also have Onenote 2007 with MO.

But as someone already pointed out, using wine will likely slow down applications than in native windows. So Windows for speed. I still think you should consider Dual-boot, at least for a little while...to see which one you prefer. "Especially since Ubuntu is free."

[Wizzup?]

Well.... Yeah.... Ubuntu.
If you want to use SCAR in a native windows environment, install Virtualbox. (www.virtualbox.org, and is the package manager.)

If you need help, you can make a thread on SRL, or contact me on IRC...

[Harry]

I do. He exaggerated a bit. Most of the time, wireless cards do work, but he was still right about the signal usually being noticeably weaker in Ubuntu. Wireless still does completely suck in Ubuntu though.. depending on how lucky you are, it could take quite a while to get it connected the first time. After that, it's reasonably good at auto-connecting (though not nearly as good/easy as Windows IMO).

Also, Markus liezz. Try running a script or two on Windows (not more, because then it might not be a fair test), and then pop in the live CD and try the same scripts under wine. If you can't tell a difference, then maybe wine is good enough. It's not a very good test though, as when you're running a live CD, you're pretty limited on RAM, so the CPU might not be bottlenecking anywhere with only a couple scripts running.
In my experiences, SCAR runs quite a bit smoother under XP.

EDIT: Harry, I'd use Ubuntu most of the time if I could get my damn wireless adapter to work. It likes to drop over 9000 packets, and then just die for a while...

OVER 9000?! You need a better Wireless card =3


And Coh3n, Wireless in GNOME is so simple. Just boot up, click the wireless icon at the top, click on your wireless SSID (network name), wait a few seconds, PROFIT!... works perfectly for me.

[Coh3n]

I have Ubuntu on my desktop as well as XP and I like it. I don't use it enough really to be able to switch to it permanently.I find it to be a hard choice though as they both have advantages over each other.

Exactly!

If you are looking for speed, then go with MO 2007. (OO is quite the memory eater, your laptop will be a little slow running multiple OO documents.) In addition, it takes forever to get it started, especially open office draw.

In addition to just MSWord, you also have Onenote 2007 with MO.

But as someone already pointed out, using wine will likely slow down applications than in native windows. So Windows for speed. I still think you should consider Dual-boot, at least for a little while...to see which one you prefer. "Especially since Ubuntu is free."

It also comes with PowerPoint and Excel. I already know kind of what Ubu is about (I duel boot on my desktop), and put I don't think I should duel boot on my laptop for fear of making it even slower.

It's interesting you say Windows for speed, pretty much everyone else has said Ubuntu.

Well.... Yeah.... Ubuntu.
If you want to use SCAR in a native windows environment, install Virtualbox. (www.virtualbox.org, and is the package manager.)

If you need help, you can make a thread on SRL, or contact me on IRC...

Thanks Wiz.

And Coh3n, Wireless in GNOME is so simple. Just boot up, click the wireless icon at the top, click on your wireless SSID (network name), wait a few seconds, PROFIT!... works perfectly for me.

Yeah, well when I was talking to Shut, he suggested booting from the live CD just to see if it works, which I think is a good idea, so I might try that.

So throughout this discussion I'm come up with these questions/conclusions.

1: Wireless internet shouldn't be a problem.
2: Is running a Windows app slower through Wine, than in regular Windows?
3: For overall speed, Windows or Ubuntu?

Comments?

[cycrosism]

Vista. But ubuntu is > XP because XP has more bugs and loopholes - easier for a hacker to get into your system. So i voted Ubuntu in this case

[Coh3n]

Vista. But ubuntu is > XP because XP has more bugs and loopholes - easier for a hacker to get into your system

I have Vista now, and my computer can't handle it. It always freezes, I get tons of errors, and I can't barely run SMART without massive lag.

EDIT: I'm running off the Live CD now, and obviously I had no trouble connecting to Wireless so that's good.

And TBH, even on the Live CD, it runs faster than my Vista (or seems to be at least. ).

[Harry]

Vista. But ubuntu is > XP because XP has more bugs and loopholes - easier for a hacker to get into your system. So i voted Ubuntu in this case

You have got to be trolling. Honestly, if you think that XP (with the latest security updates, of course) has more bugs than Vista...you need to get institutionalized.

And yes, Wireless etc should work fine.
I see no reason why you would even WANT to run Windows programs on Ubuntu; there are many better alternatives of *NIX.
If you do want to use WINE (which I only use for WinRAR, I like it better than the Ubutntu Unrarer), then check out this list for your app. http://appdb.winehq.org/

[Coh3n]

You have got to be trolling. Honestly, if you think that XP (with the latest security updates, of course) has more bugs than Vista...you need to get institutionalized.

And yes, Wireless etc should work fine.
I see no reason why you would even WANT to run Windows programs on Ubuntu; there are many better alternatives of *NIX.
If you do want to use WINE (which I only use for WinRAR, I like it better than the Ubutntu Unrarer), then check out this list for your app. http://appdb.winehq.org/

Thanks Harry.

I've decided to install Ubuntu, refer to this thread to help me out.

http://www.villavu.com/forum/showthr...982#post597982

This thread can be closed. Thanks to everyone who posted feedback.

[Nava2]

That's why I'm skeptical to install Ubu, because pretty much all the programs I use require Windows, and I doubt Wine can support them all. Although, I'm sure Ubu has a program equivalent or better.

The main thing I'm looking for is speed. I want my computer to be fast, but also have a good Word Processor with a good PowerPoint program. I know Ubu comes with OO, but I don't know exactly how good it is. Currently I use MO 2007.

Most OS softwares are better than CS.

Ubuntu wins.

[Widget]

You have got to be trolling. Honestly, if you think that XP (with the latest security updates, of course) has more bugs than Vista...you need to get institutionalized.

You can't blame anyone for that. People still think Java is slow even though it's only barely slower than native bytecode now. Vista also has a cluttered, confusing, disorganized, and slow user interface (and personally I think it's just plain ugly as well). Everyone's in love with Win7 only because it's not Vista.

[R0b0t1]

WINE runs like 80% of programs. You can run a wine program from the terminal and see any output -- which is good, as most program errors are simply a missing DLL. So you download the DLL and off you go.

[Coh3n]

WINE runs like 80% of programs. You can run a wine program from the terminal and see any output -- which is good, as most program errors are simply a missing DLL. So you download the DLL and off you go.

Yeah that would be very helpful.

[bullzeye95]

OVER 9000?! You need a better Wireless card =3

No, the card is very good (not high end, but very good for the price). It's a known problem, and nobody has had major success getting it to work in Ubuntu yet AFAIK.

1: Wireless internet shouldn't be a problem.

Then go with Ubuntu, but I'd really suggest installing a tiny XP partition for now, in case you manage to screw up Ubuntu and can't boot.. but I guess you could just boot from the live CD.

[Coh3n]

Then go with Ubuntu, but I'd really suggest installing a tiny XP partition for now, in case you manage to screw up Ubuntu and can't boot.. but I guess you could just boot from the live CD.

Already installed Ubu and so far so good.

I really hope I don't run into problems, lol so we'll see.

Thanks to everyone who gave me feedback.

This can be closed.

[ShowerThoughts]

Just dual boot it?
It can't hurt, I am going to reinstall my pc too soon.

[Coh3n]

Just dual boot it?
It can't hurt, I am going to reinstall my pc too soon.

Too late.

And I didn't want to cause TBH I installed Ubuntu because I was sick of Vista. If I kept it on this computer I would never use it again, and it would just be wasted space, not to mention I don't have a lot of space on my hard drive to begin with. I doubt having two OS would be a good idea.

[R0b0t1]

bullzeye, might I suggest you install ndiswrapper? Even if you have a driver that works, I imagine ndiswrapper would help b/c you'd be using the windows driver.

Also, you should do that if you have problems anyway.

[bullzeye95]

bullzeye, might I suggest you install ndiswrapper? Even if you have a driver that works, I imagine ndiswrapper would help b/c you'd be using the windows driver.

Also, you should do that if you have problems anyway.

Yes, I have tried it and it didn't work. However I think I figured out a couple days ago that the reason it's not working is because I'm running Ubuntu x64, and there are no x64 drivers that work with ndiswrapper. So one of these days I'm gonna wipe my existing installation and install x84 Ubuntu.

[Widget]

So even though you're running Ubuntu it's still a Windows driver problem?