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    Quote Originally Posted by MylesMadness View Post
    Its a step in the right direction. With it being open source reflection can be added easier.
    Umm SCAR wasn't the factor there... that was SMART and it is still closed source I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mormonman View Post
    Umm SCAR wasn't the factor there... that was SMART and it is still closed source I believe.
    It could have been added both ways, with both being closed source we had to wait. Now that we have this we can add it into simba.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MylesMadness View Post
    It could have been added both ways, with both being closed source we had to wait. Now that we have this we can add it into simba.
    You could have made your own reflection plugin, but you didn't. So why would simba make it any different? You still won't make it. What you want is someone else to make a reflection side of simba and make it open source, and I say good luck with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mormonman View Post
    You could have made your own reflection plugin, but you didn't. So why would simba make it any different? You still won't make it. What you want is someone else to make a reflection side of simba and make it open source, and I say good luck with that.
    Why support a currently buggy program?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MylesMadness View Post
    Why support a currently buggy program?
    You think simba isn't buggy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mormonman View Post
    You think simba isn't buggy?
    Do you think it will be in a couple months?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MylesMadness View Post
    Do you think it will be in a couple months?
    Probably a little bit. I like the simba idea, I just don't like you bagging on scar and freddy. It's just dumb, and honestly kind of childish.

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    I think it's funny how we are arguing, we really shouldn't be. SRL wouldn't be what it is today if it wasn't for SCAR, which thanks goes to Freddy for still developing it. Simba is just another advancement for SRL.

    Myles, you say that SCAR is way behind other communities, and yes that is true, but Freddy works hard. You obviously can't be patient or think of the fact that he has more to do than just developing SCAR. If it's too far behind for you then make your own?

    From what I understand from this is, that SMART works with Simba but it's still going to be closed source. And even if SMART is closed source, it works and you really can't complain about it. Again, if you don't like it then make your own.

    I think the only thing that needs to be discussed is how awesome this will be, and congratulations for the people working on it. That's my two cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camo Developer View Post
    I think it's funny how we are arguing, we really shouldn't be. SRL wouldn't be what it is today if it wasn't for SCAR, which thanks goes to Freddy for still developing it. Simba is just another advancement for SRL.

    Myles, you say that SCAR is way behind other communities, and yes that is true, but Freddy works hard. You obviously can't be patient or think of the fact that he has more to do than just developing SCAR. If it's too far behind for you then make your own?

    From what I understand from this is, that SMART works with Simba but it's still going to be closed source. And even if SMART is closed source, it works and you really can't complain about it. Again, if you don't like it then make your own.

    I think the only thing that needs to be discussed is how awesome this will be, and congratulations for the people working on it. That's my two cents.

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    I think you guys will find that there are many people who agree with what Myles is saying, they just choose not to say it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Griff721 View Post
    I think you guys will find that there are many people who agree with what Myles is saying, they just choose not to say it.
    Yes.

    But, it's still a little far fetched... reflection is broken and people are trying to fix it, so how does that make us gramda who won't switch from snail mail? It's more like grandma is having trouble using her new computer, not accepting it.

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    Well the same can go to them as well, if they really don't like it then they can do something about it. Not trying to sound rude or anything, but that's just how it works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camo Developer View Post
    I think it's funny how we are arguing, we really shouldn't be. SRL wouldn't be what it is today if it wasn't for SCAR, which thanks goes to Freddy for still developing it. Simba is just another advancement for SRL.

    Myles, you say that SCAR is way behind other communities, and yes that is true, but Freddy works hard. You obviously can't be patient or think of the fact that he has more to do than just developing SCAR. If it's too far behind for you then make your own?

    From what I understand from this is, that SMART works with Simba but it's still going to be closed source. And even if SMART is closed source, it works and you really can't complain about it. Again, if you don't like it then make your own.

    I think the only thing that needs to be discussed is how awesome this will be, and congratulations for the people working on it. That's my two cents.

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    Honestly, this little project is going to split the forum into two groups. SCAR and Simba. I like what you are doing, but i think you should have gone about it a different way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MylesMadness View Post
    Why is that "make it yourself" card always has to come out? Alright, I don't have to talent to make scar or simba or smart. You happy?
    Not happy, just want you to realize that you can't really complain with what you have if you can't make it better.

    Quote Originally Posted by MylesMadness View Post
    This started by me saying we were one step closer to losing freddy. Fact if we wanted to? Yes. Was I saying it in a "tone" that was dickish? Sure. Do I want freddy to leave. The new "SRL can't live without me" narcissistic Freddy yeah. The older freddy I want back.
    The thing is, it shouldn't have even been said. There's no problem with feeling that way but making it public is not good. He has done a lot for us, we should just be glad with what we have.

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    Nice job guys.

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    If people continue to make scripts in the pascal script that is in the screenshots, then there wouldnt really be a divide between the community. They're essentially the same general thing. If they make Simba to radically different, then they lose backwards compatibility which everybody was freaking out about when Freddy changed the syntax of a few functions in SCAR. So logically from past precedent, SRL5 shouldnt be so different that they would lose mass backwards compatibility, which would then limit Simba in its ability to be different. Not that it really should be different. If it ends up being an opensource SCAR, then thats fine, and then thats great because it won't split the community.

    MylesMadness - "why support a buggy program" "do you think it will be buggy in a few months?" - ermm...thats kind of the point of SCAR 3.5. But i doubt you'll make it for 3.5 now will you?

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    Many people wanted reflection and they made a reflection include, however it wasn't an SRL include but rather another one. As I said, SRL can't survive as a reflection community because we are an old folks home if we run with your peculiar example - most of us can't use computers and the couple that can aren't (for whatever their reasons may be).

    Anyway, I disliked the idea of Freddy breaking backwards compatibility with 3.5 if he was only going to re-break everything again when 4 was released - it seemed a bit silly to have 3.5 as a step in between 3.2x and 4 if it was only going to be different and incompatible with both. But anyway, this isn't about Scar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bionicle1800 View Post
    Honestly, this little project is going to split the forum into two groups. SCAR and Simba. I like what you are doing, but i think you should have gone about it a different way.
    I have my doubts. People are not `loyal' to a program, but to a community. SRL is a community. If SRL decides to go with Simba; I don't think many people will use SCAR just for the sake of using it, especially if SRL may no longer be compatible.

    I understand where Myles is coming from, although I disagree with the way he put it.

    As I have stated in my first post. This will hopefully be easily maintainable, and you won't have to wait weeks on that one developer. There are others, and if they are busy too, you can fix it yourself.

    ManFlardin, SRL 5 will not be fully backwards compatible. There are very few working scripts at the moment, and changing a few things in an active script isn't hard either.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Cardin View Post
    If people continue to make scripts in the pascal script that is in the screenshots, then there wouldnt really be a divide between the community. They're essentially the same general thing. If they make Simba to radically different, then they lose backwards compatibility which everybody was freaking out about when Freddy changed the syntax of a few functions in SCAR. So logically from past precedent, SRL5 shouldnt be so different that they would lose mass backwards compatibility, which would then limit Simba in its ability to be different. Not that it really should be different. If it ends up being an opensource SCAR, then thats fine, and then thats great because it won't split the community.

    MylesMadness - "why support a buggy program" "do you think it will be buggy in a few months?" - ermm...thats kind of the point of SCAR 3.5. But i doubt you'll make it for 3.5 now will you?

    I'd like to comment on other things but i doubt many people will read this or respond to it, so thats it.

    SRL 5 will be made specifically for Simba, although it is very similar to scar in terms of syntax and so on.

    On backwards compatability, we will not be trying to make it compatible to SRL 4 although we are aiming to make a smooth change. Scripts will break with SRL 4 -> 5 just like they broke from SRL 3 -> 4.

    Also, SRL will be for Simba where the function names are/might be different and have different parameters.

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    I still think this is a great idea, good advancement for SRL. Keep up the good work (For all who's working on it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by bionicle1800 View Post
    Honestly, this little project is going to split the forum into two groups. SCAR and Simba. I like what you are doing, but i think you should have gone about it a different way.
    I do not think this will happen. Sure there will be some who will want to use scar but I don't think there will be much. Why? Because people mainly come here from runescape and not from scar. They mainly come here to auto in runescape and not to write cool non-rs scripts in scar. And when they come here from rs they download scar directed from here. Yes they are mainly leechers and most of them will remain that but some of them will be interested in learning so on and so on. So if SRL will be for Simba they will download that, not much of a change(in their views).

    And I do not want to continue the arguing(I have my own opinions, don't worry) so I just say I respect Freddy and scar but I would like to use Simba instead of that in the future for scripting.

    EDIT: Of course just my view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Griff721 View Post
    I think you guys will find that there are many people who agree with what Myles is saying, they just choose not to say it.
    I agree where Myles is going to, alot of us REALLY want reflection back, but Freddy sure did alot for us and the way Myles put it was a bit unnecessary.
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