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    K. Two small things.
    • Color fails right now. Reflection is the future.
    • But it is SCAR too. SCAR keeps crashing with the DIB handle error, keeps throwing off the colors and you need to close it, etc. But what you say is true, color is ancient.


    Color is like hitting two rocks together to make a fire, whilst reflection is using a lighter.

    Grantit, if reflection is fixed, I will still use color for fun and for the enjoyment of a challenge, but reflection needs to be fixed. We need to start using reflection. Don't be afraid of change, change is good. Without change we would still be bleeding people hoping that will heal what ever sickness they have.

    I say fix reflection!
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    EDIT: Before responding to any of my responses to your quotes, please answer my question at the end of this post.

    Quote Originally Posted by YoHoJo View Post
    We are both! We care about community, teaching, learning, programing. We care about reflection, efficient, being a good bot. Since reflection is broken now, and we have a lack of people to fix it, we are doing the best we can with what we have. Once reflection is fixed, you can be happy again.
    SRL is a COMMUNITY no one person chooses 'what we are about' all people want different things. The once's who want color will stick with it, and code with it. The ones who want openGL/Reflection will stick with it, and code with it. The people who want ref w/ color backup and vise versa will do that. And the ones who care about autoing will choose whatever the hell works best.

    Stop the bitching and get to swtiching!
    I already switched. Right now, I was/am trying to figure out why you guys don't want to improve (in the botting aspect), and I see why.

    As for reflection being fixed, who's fixing it and who's ready to maintain it?

    Quote Originally Posted by TRiLeZ View Post
    Some color functions can be just as accurate as reflection function. Some functions aren't that good to reflection... so how about incorporate both in scripts? SRL should still have colour in it and it always should.

    Also, SCAR has been quite a problem for me... I always have to restart SCAR multiple times when I'm beginning to auto or are scripting. Something needs to be done about those errors!

    Colour scripts are pretty stable and will keep working most of the time after an update, while reflection will need to get a hook update which could take days. Although, people could easily steal hooks from RSBot...
    I don't believe there's anything reflection struggles with. All the same, yes, a little bit of color would be beneficial, but, if you want to become a superior botting community (which is not SRL's goal), you would need to have take the backseat to Reflection.

    Edit: I've been running Tarajunky's chicken killer for 75 hours straight and not a single random... we just need to make scripts where it switches players often and auto on a whole bunch of accounts with the one script.
    Armies are nearly pointless nowadays. If you're limited to things like chicken fighting with a bunch of level 3's, you're not bound for success.


    Quote Originally Posted by WT-Fakawi View Post
    [LIST][*]Sry. Disagree Camaro. Over the last three years I have been involved in the cheating scene colorbotting has not become more difficult. True, Jackex has somewhat dynamified its interface, but apart from that, things are pretty much the same. It's the same old static interface, the same old boring repetitive game, the same old pixelrelated game. I am convinced I could still write a 100% perfect Lumby - Falador walker based on colors... just as I did two years ago. so: Colotbotting has not become more difficult!
    I think the point Camaro was trying to make is that SRL can't keep up (using color) with everything Jagex has been doing. If there was a well maintained reflection, not only could the Devs find time to make anti-randoms, but other people could contribute as well.

    [*]On the subject of reflection: it is a league I dont play. This is where the copyright infringement pops into vision. We do not infringe any copyright (apart maybe from the chattextfont...all the rest is almost strictly legal). It is true, we are the only surviving legal cheaters!...probably in the whole world. To me, this is a very big deal. I am a MasterThieve, I have honour, I am not a raper of the game.
    Copyright infringement? I don't know much about copyrights, but if that was true, why wouldn't Jagex get rid of most botters by just shutting down every Java bot? As for honor, I don't see the point of honor whilst cheating on an online video game, but that's a difference of opinion I suppose.

    [*]So, why do other commumnities thrive, and is SRL such a marginal player? Well, the answer to that is pretty simple...it is money.There is no money in SRL, apart from the investments I have done over the last years. But if you where to calculate the countless hours others have invested into SRL, you'd be amazed how much its worth in terms of knowledge. But indeed, the lack of money in this community is what keeps us marginal. But would you really want all the trouble of money? Look what it does to all the other communities. They are either a complete scam, no matter how professional they look, I would not trust them with my creditcardnumber, or filled with badbreathed illtempered youngsters fulminating over 5$. No, I am very glad we dont do this, although it might just work here right now because we are a true community, and have been for over three years...and hopefully will stay that in the years to come.
    I'm not sure what you mean by this. Do you mean not enough money has been invested in SRL? Or are you talking about the exclusion of a public black market and the like? I'm guessing the latter, which I agree is a major reason why SRL isn't a large community. But, other than that, you just don't see the same quality (by quality I mean botting quality, not scripting quality) or quantity of scripts at SRL, in addition to the flaws of the include.

    [*]Which brings me to the fourth pont and the reason why I started SRL in the first place. I know we have helped 1000's of young people from all over the globe starting up programming, serving them with a broader understanding of logic and mathematics and social -albiet ASCII- interaction. I am convinced it has helped them not only becoming better at school, but also becoming a deeper person.
    This is true, and this is what I didn't realize up until a few months ago. Logic, yes, though I would argue that any type of programming requires and teaches logic. Mathematics? Maybe I've been missing something, but, like I said in one of my other posts, it seems to me only about 5% of scripters actually utilize the advanced mathematics that can come with SRL. Social... Yes, that is what SRL is best at; having a good community.
    [*]Now, this may sound all trivial to you since you might be very preoccupied with gaining profit from RS, but to me this is far beyond the point. True, SRL has been in a better state, but most of us are busy with real life. Anyone questioning the legitimacy of SRL has not understood its roots.
    That's what Camaro was suggesting; an antidote to the lack of time that most Devs experience. But, again, that's not SRL's philosophy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wizzup? View Post
    I think it is ridiculous to state that SCAR is not a/the problem. I tried running a script in it last night to see if it gave the same results as Simba, and I really simply couldn't get it to run more than 5 minutes. Sure, SRL contains some poor coding; but that should never be able to crash SCAR. However, SCAR does crash. May it be from poor coding in SRL or poor coding in SCAR. I run SCAR, it immediately gives me a DIB error. Camaro, thanks for making me laugh in real life. SCAR has not become better, it's a mess. Even Freddy himself says so. Stop saying it isn't.
    He stated it was a problem, but not the [main] problem. I see this not as an attack at Simba, but rather a proposed change in philosophy.

    @TAD: I see you're dropping in again... I thought you rageleft?\
    Yes, I did. I don't SCAR script, vote on applications, or the like anymore.

    Anyway, the problem is not support.

    The people who want to use Reflection can't update it themselves, doesn't that tell you enough? It isn't "hard" to update. If it was, then rsbot would have trouble doing that too. Since virtually every other reflection uses some sort of java hack to cheat within cheating RuneScape, it isn't too hard to copy their code. Most of them are open, too.
    I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here. "Doesn't that tell you enough?" - What does it tell me? It tells me nobody is motivated enough to actually update it. You're telling everyone who wants reflection to either build up and maintain it or go to another bot. Most are probably doing the latter; in effect killing any chance of bringing it back.

    The problem is not that colour simple doesn't cut it; the problem is the way it is currently being used. I took a look at SRL (with Raymond) for the first time in months, and found several bugs instantly. Colour will do fine.
    Again, like I said above, an antidote to, primarily the time, it takes to make something color would be reflection.

    Most of my arguments above are assuming SRL wants to become a better autoing community, which is not the case, so I guess they don't apply. What I don't understand now is how you can try to do both: become great autoers yet keep the challenges of color there. I'm not satisfied with Yohojo's response. If you support reflection or OpenGL, most new scripters will take one or the other instead of color (Most of you came here with the intention of RS botting, not programming, so it's reasonable to think people would choose the more advanced techniques). Your goal is to give people the experience of coding with many challenges, correct? By supporting those things, you are, in effect, vastly decreasing the 'challenge' that you're looking are. Again, I don't see a middle route as being feasible.

    Please, no flaming. I'm genuinely interested as to what the reasoning behind this is. I don't know the answer to my question, I'm looking for a logical response.
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    Nono Camo, it is ok. No problems here Respect your views and more then welcome to state them of course
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    Quote Originally Posted by WT-Fakawi View Post
    Nono Camo, it is ok. No problems here Respect your views and more then welcome to state them of course
    Thanks dude

    Quote Originally Posted by Tad View Post
    EDIT: Before responding to any of my responses to your quotes, please answer my question at the end of this post.



    I already switched. Right now, I was/am trying to figure out why you guys don't want to improve (in the botting aspect), and I see why.

    As for reflection being fixed, who's fixing it and who's ready to maintain it?



    I don't believe there's anything reflection struggles with. All the same, yes, a little bit of color would be beneficial, but, if you want to become a superior botting community (which is not SRL's goal), you would need to have take the backseat to Reflection.



    Armies are nearly pointless nowadays. If you're limited to things like chicken fighting with a bunch of level 3's, you're not bound for success.




    I think the point Camaro was trying to make is that SRL can't keep up (using color) with everything Jagex has been doing. If there was a well maintained reflection, not only could the Devs find time to make anti-randoms, but other people could contribute as well.


    Copyright infringement? I don't know much about copyrights, but if that was true, why wouldn't Jagex get rid of most botters by just shutting down every Java bot? As for honor, I don't see the point of honor whilst cheating on an online video game, but that's a difference of opinion I suppose.


    I'm not sure what you mean by this. Do you mean not enough money has been invested in SRL? Or are you talking about the exclusion of a public black market and the like? I'm guessing the latter, which I agree is a major reason why SRL isn't a large community. But, other than that, you just don't see the same quality (by quality I mean botting quality, not scripting quality) or quantity of scripts at SRL, in addition to the flaws of the include.



    This is true, and this is what I didn't realize up until a few months ago. Logic, yes, though I would argue that any type of programming requires and teaches logic. Mathematics? Maybe I've been missing something, but, like I said in one of my other posts, it seems to me only about 5% of scripters actually utilize the advanced mathematics that can come with SRL. Social... Yes, that is what SRL is best at; having a good community.


    That's what Camaro was suggesting; an antidote to the lack of time that most Devs experience. But, again, that's not SRL's philosophy.



    He stated it was a problem, but not the [main] problem. I see this not as an attack at Simba, but rather a proposed change in philosophy.


    Yes, I did. I don't SCAR script, vote on applications, or the like anymore.



    I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here. "Doesn't that tell you enough?" - What does it tell me? It tells me nobody is motivated enough to actually update it. You're telling everyone who wants reflection to either build up and maintain it or go to another bot. Most are probably doing the latter; in effect killing any chance of bringing it back.



    Again, like I said above, an antidote to, primarily the time, it takes to make something color would be reflection.

    Most of my arguments above are assuming SRL wants to become a better autoing community, which is not the case, so I guess they don't apply. What I don't understand now is how you can try to do both: become great autoers yet keep the challenges of color there. I'm not satisfied with Yohojo's response. If you support reflection or OpenGL, most new scripters will take one or the other instead of color (Most of you came here with the intention of RS botting, not programming, so it's reasonable to think people would choose the more advanced techniques). Your goal is to give people the experience of coding with many challenges, correct? By supporting those things, you are, in effect, vastly decreasing the 'challenge' that you're looking are. Again, I don't see a middle route as being feasible.

    Please, no flaming. I'm genuinely interested as to what the reasoning behind this is. I don't know the answer to my question, I'm looking for a logical response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bionicle1800 View Post
    K. Two small things.
    • Color fails right now. Reflection is the future.
    • But it is SCAR too. SCAR keeps crashing with the DIB handle error, keeps throwing off the colors and you need to close it, etc. But what you say is true, color is ancient.


    Color is like hitting two rocks together to make a fire, whilst reflection is using a lighter.

    Grantit, if reflection is fixed, I will still use color for fun and for the enjoyment of a challenge, but reflection needs to be fixed. We need to start using reflection. Don't be afraid of change, change is good. Without change we would still be bleeding people hoping that will heal what ever sickness they have.

    I say fix reflection!
    And using Colour right is like making a fire with a flame thrower...

    [OFFTOPIC]Wtf is wrong with reflection anyway? I know it doesn't work.. but why? I was gone for awhile... PM me, kthx. [/OFFTOPIC]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timer View Post
    And using Colour right is like making a fire with a flame thrower...

    [OFFTOPIC]Wtf is wrong with reflection anyway? I know it doesn't work.. but why? I was gone for awhile... PM me, kthx. [/OFFTOPIC]
    RuneTek 5 updated which made all of the math on reflection wrong. Getting the hooks is not a problem.

    Not really, even if you made a deadly script in color, randoms suck so bad that once you would get a random it would stop the script. (+ more chance of banhammer)

    Reflection you could fix all the randoms, + make the same deadly script with ease.

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    As we have seen from our past experiences with reflection you cannot just "maintain" reflection next to (colour) SRL. They both require full attention, and we simply don't have the man power to fill in this requirement. And as our roots lay in Colour-bots, it seems logically we would keep developing this part of RS-botting.

    After all, it wouldn't make sense to make a fully reflection-driven bot in Delphi with an interpreter. That would just require a full javabot..


    EDIT: And yes, atm both are broken. But for me it would just be impossible to fix reflection, as I have no clue how it works..
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    Let me ask you this,
    Why does SRL have such good scripters?

    In my opinion it's because colour scripting promotes skillful scripting where as reflection doesn't. If SRL became a reflection-based include, I strongly believe the quality of scripters would decrease, the forum would become flooded with RSBot-like leachers and the community as a whole would start to become similar to RSBot's.

    I would also like to ask you,
    Why would people come to SRL if it were primarily a reflection include?

    I say this, because RSBot is much more established as a successful bot. It also is much easier to setup - you just download and run - and all it requires is Java being installed.

    Lastly, I want to ask you,
    Why should SRL switch to reflection?

    As time showed, just about no one actually knows enough about it at SRL. So why should SRL give up everything and chase after a non-working system? I seriously want an answer - if reflection is so hard to learn and everything else, then why should SRL give up on something that at least works to chase after something so difficult to learn that everyone who wants reflection back couldn't learn? If you want SRL to switch, then you're just being an idiot while there is no working reflection include at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mixster View Post
    Let me ask you this,
    Why does SRL have such good scripters?

    In my opinion it's because colour scripting promotes skillful scripting where as reflection doesn't. If SRL became a reflection-based include, I strongly believe the quality of scripters would decrease, the forum would become flooded with RSBot-like leachers and the community as a whole would start to become similar to RSBot's.

    I would also like to ask you,
    Why would people come to SRL if it were primarily a reflection include?

    I say this, because RSBot is much more established as a successful bot. It also is much easier to setup - you just download and run - and all it requires is Java being installed.

    Lastly, I want to ask you,
    Why should SRL switch to reflection?

    As time showed, just about no one actually knows enough about it at SRL. So why should SRL give up everything and chase after a non-working system? I seriously want an answer - if reflection is so hard to learn and everything else, then why should SRL give up on something that at least works to chase after something so difficult to learn that everyone who wants reflection back couldn't learn? If you want SRL to switch, then you're just being an idiot while there is no working reflection include at all.
    People would come to SRL the same reason people come now, COLOR wont be eliminated completely.

    Why would srl switch to reflection?

    To advance!

    I'm not saying(anymore) that srl should go 100% Reflection. It should be more primary then it was before though.

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    You pretty much ignored my point though - reflection has been down for how long now? In all that time, no one else has been able to learn how reflection works well enough to be able to start it up again, yet you want the entire community to take to this method, especially when there isn't even a currently working version?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mixster View Post
    You pretty much ignored my point though - reflection has been down for how long now? In all that time, no one else has been able to learn how reflection works well enough to be able to start it up again, yet you want the entire community to take to this method, especially when there isn't even a currently working version?
    Touche

    I bet if we worked together, it could get done.

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    Then instead of telling the rest of the community to do it, get together with other people who want to and do it.

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    I like your way of thinking, but I tink you might still be missing the main point.

    There are very few people who are able to fix reflection right now. And out of those, no one really has the time.

    Problem 1: Getting reflection fixed.

    If reflection breaks again, we're fixless again. Maybe if there's an updater. But if there's an engine change again?

    Problem 2: See Problem 1

    Now maybe we do fix it now and do get an updater an jagex doesn't change their engine for the ext two years. After two years of SRL basing itsel on reflection, there is an engine change. Color hasn't been the main for so long that it doesn't work propery at all. We've given up on color antiramdoms a long time ago.

    Problem 3: See Problem 2
    Problem 4: Color SRL Failing
    Problem 5: SRL = DEAD

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    Will people fucking stop bitching about fixing reflection? If it was easy shit for anyone to be assed to do it, it would have been done, but the problem is you can't do client-hacking shit (although we are discussing copying what RSBot does) by learning a bit there and a bit there u need to learn Step 1 to learn Step 2 etc...

    Also,

    Did we not create SRL with the goal of creating a successful autoing community?
    So are we driving on competing Java bots by using Java in-directly through plugins in PascalScript?

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    IDEA!

    How about all you kids that struggle with color so much that you must relate to begging for a reflection fix leave and go to a different community?! Your obviously here for the wrong reasons anyways..

    IMO you don't deserve to be here if your not willing to learn. You people are exactly the same as the "leechers" we try to keep out. Only with falsely rewarded scripting cups...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCDS View Post
    IDEA!

    How about all you kids that struggle with color so much that you must relate to begging for a reflection fix leave and go to a different community?!

    IMO you don't deserve to be here if your not willing to learn. You people are exactly the same as the "leechers" we try to keep out, only with falsely rewarded scripting cups...
    Did you read anything that was being said? It's not that colour scripting is hard for us, it is the fact that it is limited because Jagex is further ahead. Reflection is better suited to the current version of runescape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bionicle1800 View Post
    Did you read anything that was being said? It's not that colour scripting is hard for us, it is the fact that it is limited because Jagex is further ahead. Reflection is better suited to the current version of runescape.
    Readb4post pl0x.
    Th''ts why I call your cups "underserved". Use some creativity. I agree that some things may be a bit difficult to do in Scar alone. That's why we have plugins...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bionicle1800 View Post
    Did you read anything that was being said? It's not that colour scripting is hard for us, it is the fact that it is limited because Jagex is further ahead. Reflection is better suited to the current version of runescape.
    Readb4post pl0x.
    I can powermine with my colour script. Can you with your reflection script?

    Honestly, why doesn't everyone who wants to use reflection fix their stuff first...?
    IMO, Colour is the way to go. It is challenging, educational, and stable. Sure, we may not solve all the randoms, but we're the most random and undetectable macro out there.



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    Quote Originally Posted by NCDS View Post
    Th''ts why I call your cups "underserved". Use some creativity. I agree that some things may be a bit difficult to do in Scar alone. That's why we have plugins...
    *ahem*

    Quote Originally Posted by bionicle1800 View Post
    Grantit, if reflection is fixed, I will still use color for fun and for the enjoyment of a challenge,
    I am creative in my scripting. I enjoy making color scripts. I don't give a rats ass what you think, but I am creative and imo our cups were deserved otherwise they wouldn't have been granted to us.
    I am not saying stop color scripting. I am saying re-introduce reflection along side color. Each one has their own advantages. Don't bash us for wanting that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bionicle1800 View Post
    *ahem*



    I am creative in my scripting. I enjoy making color scripts. I don't give a rats ass what you think, but I am creative and imo our cups were deserved otherwise they wouldn't have been granted to us.
    I am not saying stop color scripting. I am saying re-introduce reflection along side color. Each one has their own advantages. Don't bash us for wanting that.
    I apologize, I didn't so much mean that YOU didn't deserve your cups, although that is what I typed..I remember a few people though going on a Reflection scripting rampage until they got they're cups. Then they disappeared, only to return and not even know how to run Scar/SRL..pathetic I know. Those are more so the people I was talking about.

    I have much respect for you as somewhat of a "SRL newcomer", I just don't want to see SRL end up a mindless community do to the ease of the scripting if we were to switch to reflection.


    I also prefer color because it keep the leechers out. Color scripting takes dedication, reflection doesn't. Would you rather have dedicated users here at the forums? or a bunch of brainless pre teens eager for RSGP?

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    Lack of experience is what you're all using as the main argument against reflection: Completely reasonable. However, several SRL Devs (IIRC) are proficient with creating and maintaining reflection. However, they don't have the time or desire to do so. Now, if they were to be convinced that others would pick up the slack and keep it running, all they would have to do is create a couple tutorials or provide a few links and maybe update reflection the first time. Again, though, I don't see this happening because SRL isn't success-in-RS oriented. You guys have yet to answer my final question in my last post, which I what I would like to know most

    Quote Originally Posted by n3ss3s View Post
    So are we driving on competing Java bots by using Java in-directly through plugins in PascalScript?
    I apologize, my statement was incorrect. And yes, you're right, SRL is not made to compete with Java bots, nor does it appear to have a desire to (whether the reasons for this are good or not is merely opinion).

    Quote Originally Posted by NCDS View Post
    IDEA!

    How about all you kids that struggle with color so much that you must relate to begging for a reflection fix leave and go to a different community?! Your obviously here for the wrong reasons anyways..
    We're not asking for a reflection fix. We're asking for an SRL fix. We're suggesting to do that by using reflection, but obviously that's not working out.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wizzup? View Post
    I can powermine with my colour script. Can you with your reflection script?
    Yes. In fact I had created one that was more efficient and customizable than any color powerminer had been.

    Honestly, why doesn't everyone who wants to use reflection fix their stuff first...?
    IMO, Colour is the way to go. It is challenging, educational, and stable. Sure, we may not solve all the randoms, but we're the most random and undetectable macro out there.
    Random and undetectable is heavily debatable. In addition, it's impossible to be most undetectable if you can't solve half of the randoms. Challenging - yes. Educational - yes. Stable - probably. However, all of those, except perhaps stability, pertain to the scripting, not the autoing part of the whole process. I understand that SRL wants the challenge, etc, which brings me back to my previous point...


    Most of my arguments above are assuming SRL wants to become a better autoing community, which is not the case, so I guess they don't apply. What I don't understand now is how you can try to do both: become great autoers yet keep the challenges of color there. I'm not satisfied with Yohojo's response. If you support reflection or OpenGL, most new scripters will take one or the other instead of color (Most of you came here with the intention of RS botting, not programming, so it's reasonable to think people would choose the more advanced techniques). Your goal is to give people the experience of coding with many challenges, correct? By supporting those things, you are, in effect, vastly decreasing the 'challenge' that you're looking are. Again, I don't see a middle route as being feasible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCDS View Post
    I apologize, I didn't so much mean that YOU didn't deserve your cups, although that is what I typed..I remember a few people though going on a Reflection scripting rampage until they got they're cups. Then they disappeared, only to return and not even know how to run Scar/SRL..pathetic I know. Those are more so the people I was talking about.

    I have much respect for you as somewhat of a "SRL newcomer", I just don't want to see SRL end up a mindless community do to the ease of the scripting if we were to switch to reflection.


    I also prefer color because it keep the leechers out. Color scripting takes dedication, reflection doesn't. Would you rather have dedicated users here at the forums? or a bunch of brainless pre teens eager for RSGP?
    Sorry I misinterpreted what you said.
    My solution to that would be as it was before, unofficially, SRL member apps could be color scripts only to show skill and knowledge. Reflection can be around for things it is good for, e.g., random solving. It will improve on all scripts and they won't run for 2 hours and shut down because it couldn't solve the maze.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bionicle1800 View Post
    Sorry I misinterpreted what you said.
    My solution to that would be as it was before, unofficially, SRL member apps could be color scripts only to show skill and knowledge. Reflection can be around for things it is good for, e.g., random solving. It will improve on all scripts and they won't run for 2 hours and shut down because it couldn't solve the maze.
    I DO agree that in some random solvers reflection would be very useful. I'm waiting to see how this new OpenGL stuff works out for that.

    I don't believe cups should be rewarded though for Reflection work as it is no where near the difficulty of color, nor is it part of SRL.

    Regardless, it is easy to tell who the true members of this community are.

    @Tad, join RSBot. You will fit in better there.

    I don't know if you guys notice, but 75%+ of this community doesn't care about RS at all. We script for fun. Not for ease and RSGP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCDS View Post
    I DO agree that in some random solvers reflection would be very useful. I'm waiting to see how this new OpenGL stuff works out for that.

    I don't believe cups should be rewarded though for Reflection work as it is no where near the difficulty of color, nor is it part of SRL.

    Regardless, it is easy to tell who the true members of this community are.
    Yes, I do agree with the cups. Reflection is too easy to script with, but it is better then color in some ways.
    But color does have its advantages
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    I think everyone knows my stance on this, but im just glad its not just me who gets attacked when I post somthing about reflection

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