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    rsbot had a good sw script

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tad View Post
    I think we should keep in mind that SRL could be taken down for the same reasons as RSBot was taken down (judging from the iBot lawsuit documents). The only reason they went first is because they were creating a bigger dent on RS. My point here being is that don't put RSBot down just because they were closed down; the same thing could just as easily happen here.
    Fat chance. I'll read the doc through more carefully later, but I can hardly see any legally valid reasons.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizzup? View Post
    Fat chance. I'll read the doc through more carefully later, but I can hardly see any legally valid reasons.
    I thought that was why SRL was closing. The 'Hyping SRL' thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tad View Post
    I thought that was why SRL was closing. The 'Hyping SRL' thread.
    You thought wrong, in that case.
    If we really were afraid for this we wouldn't just close registration, we would close the forum. Apart from that, closing can only be seen as proof that we do violate the law, which we don't.
    There are some reasons for closing registration I guess, but we are not closing because we are afraid to get sued. We're just going to change stuff under the hood. Forum restructures, big changes to SRL, the upcoming Simba project, etc. It is much easier to do with no newcomers all asking the same questions about the restructure until we're actually done with it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Tad View Post
    I think we should keep in mind that SRL could be taken down for the same reasons as RSBot was taken down (judging from the iBot lawsuit documents).
    No, no we wont be taken down. Remember, we are switching our views from rs to programming in general.

    edit: ffs I hadn't refreshed the thread in like 4 hours >.< sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizzup? View Post
    You thought wrong, in that case.
    If we really were afraid for this we wouldn't just close registration, we would close the forum. Apart from that, closing can only be seen as proof that we do violate the law, which we don't.
    There are some reasons for closing registration I guess, but we are not closing because we are afraid to get sued. We're just going to change stuff under the hood. Forum restructures, big changes to SRL, the upcoming Simba project, etc. It is much easier to do with no newcomers all asking the same questions about the restructure until we're actually done with it.
    Ok, thanks for clearing that up. But, in that case, why are they able to take RSBot down and not SRL? I don't see any major differences, other than a (slightly?) different technique to perform the exact same task ('slightly' refers to reflection vs BCEL). Or is the difference in methodology so great that it changes everything?

    Quote Originally Posted by noidea View Post
    No, no we wont be taken down. Remember, we are switching our views from rs to programming in general.

    edit: ffs I hadn't refreshed the thread in like 4 hours >.< sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizzup? View Post
    Fat chance. I'll read the doc through more carefully later, but I can hardly see any legally valid reasons.
    You mean like the skill images used in the junior member script forums??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tad View Post
    Ok, thanks for clearing that up. But, in that case, why are they able to take RSBot down and not SRL? I don't see any major differences, other than a (slightly?) different technique to perform the exact same task ('slightly' refers to reflection vs BCEL). Or is the difference in methodology so great that it changes everything?
    I think BCEL is client hacking, and must be some sort of copyright issue. Or maybe they can be sued for "loss of revenue" like Glider, if I remember correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tad View Post
    Ok, thanks for clearing that up. But, in that case, why are they able to take RSBot down and not SRL? I don't see any major differences, other than a (slightly?) different technique to perform the exact same task ('slightly' refers to reflection vs BCEL). Or is the difference in methodology so great that it changes everything?
    I'm not sure if the fact that SRL is free to use factors in there.....

    e. and perhaps because we don't actually take a swipe at the Java code...(IE,"Infringement")

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    I'm guessing that the fact their scripts and such are being sold, at least some, can become an issue. I don't know much about the laws regarding this issue, but I heard that the reason goldsellers in WoW couldn't be sued was because they were just 'selling' their own time spent on the game, and not actual game-related software/items. How true this is, I do not know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tad View Post
    Ok, thanks for clearing that up. But, in that case, why are they able to take RSBot down and not SRL? I don't see any major differences, other than a (slightly?) different technique to perform the exact same task ('slightly' refers to reflection vs BCEL). Or is the difference in methodology so great that it changes everything?
    SRL isn't profit oriented. We don't allow script sales, we don't allow pixel sales, we don't allow anything money related.
    No client hacking involved.
    We don't deobfuscate or crack their code.
    We don't use our knowledge of their code to our advantage. (SMART is not part of SRL, only an extension)

    Seems like a huge difference to me.



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    With all do respect Jagex knows about this community or actually 'Scar' a bit too well. Since three years ago, before I used Scar- And didn't know it was so great and... yata yata - I met one of the Jagex Mod, I still have the screenshot - And asked him about Runescape doing things about scar. He said they know about it and are working on it. If they didn't close any forum - it just means it's perfectly legal. They can only close ilegal sites which disobey the law, their rules can be disobeyed in sites. Look at cheat engine for example...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizzup? View Post
    We don't allow pixel sales, we don't allow anything money related.
    Black market?

    Anyhow, it seems to me that Jagex are more motivated to cut cheating communities down that use client hacking. I guess they're not too concerned with pixel clicking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naum View Post
    Black market?
    Private invitation hosted on a Private Server ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizzup? View Post
    SRL isn't profit oriented.
    Nor was RSBot (unless you count their profit from advertising).

    We don't allow script sales, we don't allow pixel sales, we don't allow anything money related.
    True, but it doesn't seem that significant in the grand scheme of things; the owners weren't profiting off of that.

    No client hacking involved.
    We don't deobfuscate or crack their code.
    We don't use our knowledge of their code to our advantage. (SMART is not part of SRL, only an extension)
    Normally I would bring up reflection, but I suppose all of this is one of the reasons you never officially supported it.

    Even so, I don't see a major difference in the final result of RSBot vs. SRL; automating tasks in RS. And, if I recall correctly (can't find the document now), in the iBot lawsuit, they were primarily focusing on the detrimental effects autoing (in general) causes to RS. Do they not have the grounds by which to go after any autoing community, no matter their methods?

    By the way, I'm not looking for an argument in case anyone feels that way, I'm looking for answers to this part of all these events that I don't understand.

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    I invested 1M gp in coal yesterday because of this. Lets see what happens =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tad View Post
    Nor was RSBot (unless you count their profit from advertising).
    I think, Speljohan alone made about 4k from the first two months? Don't forget about the VIP sections.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tad View Post
    True, but it doesn't seem that significant in the grand scheme of things; the owners weren't profiting off of that.
    VIP sections, they do.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tad View Post
    Even so, I don't see a major difference in the final result of RSBot vs. SRL; automating tasks in RS. And, if I recall correctly (can't find the document now), in the iBot lawsuit, they were primarily focusing on the detrimental effects autoing (in general) causes to RS. Do they not have the grounds by which to go after any autoing community, no matter their methods?
    I don't think they have any ground to stand on, no. Like I said, I didn't fully read it, but going by the law in my country I can't really think of anything serious issues.

    If their only argument is that we ``cause them to lose money''... Linux causes Microsoft to lose money, but I don't see them file a lawsuit to the kernel.org developers anytime soon?



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    Quote Originally Posted by sylvawarrior View Post
    I invested 1M gp in coal yesterday because of this. Lets see what happens =)
    http://services.runescape.com/m=item...tem.ws?obj=453

    :/ Sorry.

    But in other news..

    http://services.runescape.com/m=item...tem.ws?obj=440


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    Hi, what a great few arguements have been thrown around. I respect the amount of decency the staff here have, as others have strictly thought of this as a good way to go
    "We rock".

    The site has gone down because its a Civil Case, not a Criminal Case.
    It was announced that yes discussion of the bot can be upheld, but Jagex have pulled some very cheap tactics in this case.
    They also brought up the fact that Qauters has profited from the VIP's on the site which was used against him.

    The court had told him to shut down the site while the case is being solved, if he were to NOT uphold it he'd be paying in access of 1000 usd every day.

    While others have mentioned that this site has got a Market section,it is not as bad as Sythe, who are known as the Market leaders as of late.

    Once again, i won't be choosing sides, but im quiet certain the few people that might recognise my name would know i was a Staff member on the site.

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    Well, now that rsbot is down (or soon will be) the prices of coal WILL GO UP SOON. No botters = less coal/less coal being sold at low prices = only legits selling coal at regular mid + prices. Seems to me like an IDEAL time to buy coals!

    In other news:
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingarabian View Post
    Scar is for learning purposes. Rsbot is NOT. Speljohan said it himself, that its a "leechers bot". People had more bans from Rsbot then Scar the past year.
    I really don't see how that is applicable at all... I bet you less then 200 people actually botted with scar within the past year :/ Even if we have activity here, some of it is people just checking out the community, and another half just can't get it setup to work, so they just leave. So the ratio of using a bot to ban can not be compared to the two at all, as rsbot is used on a much grander scale.

    Also, on terms of botting, my all around cooker I made for scar worked flawless for days, I implemented tpa's and such, but I post it for people, and it fails. I make the same cooker for rsbot, anyone can use, and runs for much longer.

    Also, you guys are comparing rsbot to srl in different terms, rsbot was made strictly for runescape, not for general programming, you can't say rsbot was causing dumb people to not go further in life, the purpose of rsbot is not to be successful or to really improve programming language. (It has helped my knowledge of Java increasingly, as I look for deeper Java methods to make my scripts good.) The purpose of Rsbot is to auto at runescape. Period.

    Lastly, the reason that srl can't be taken down on measures is pretty much because rsbot + nexus, you download a modified client, we do not.

    Edit: That was my longest discussion post ever in this forums lol.
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    Stop the damn arguing and complaining. None of it means anything, or is getting anywhere. Let people think whatever they want, why does it matter to you? This useless argument has already been taken care of in this thread:
    http://villavu.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54793
    NO MORE POSTS ABOUT COLOR/SCAR/SIMBA Vs RSBOT

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    I never argue, so I just wanted to get in the action for once lol, but I agree, this thread is about rsbot.org being taken down lol.
    I do visit every 2-6 months

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizzup? View Post
    I think, Speljohan alone made about 4k from the first two months? Don't forget about the VIP sections.



    VIP sections, they do.




    I don't think they have any ground to stand on, no. Like I said, I didn't fully read it, but going by the law in my country I can't really think of anything serious issues.

    If their only argument is that we ``cause them to lose money''... Linux causes Microsoft to lose money, but I don't see them file a lawsuit to the kernel.org developers anytime soon?
    Ah, I completely forgot about the VIP section, good point.

    As for losing money, IMO Linux and Microsoft are different because they're completely independent of each other. I still see your point though; that seems like a minor detail in comparison to the other things RSBot and iBot were guilty of, not to mention it would be hard to prove. Thanks for explaining

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    So, I don't remember posting my big flame. Sorry..

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