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    Tbh, Jagex can do nearly anything they want and get away with it, AFAIK, you can't VMWare or SandBoxie RuneScape to see what it's doing (plus if you could just tell the client not to check for anything when those processes are running)

    The possibilities are definately there.

    One thing is, in Java, its easy to check for running processes =/ ... not sure if its illegal, but something like:

    Code:
    Process p = Runtime.getRuntime().exec(new String[]{"cmd", "/c", "tasklist /svc"});
        	BufferedReader stdInput = new BufferedReader(new InputStreamReader(p.getInputStream()));
        	BufferedReader stdError = new BufferedReader(new InputStreamReader(p.getErrorStream()));
    Then read the incoming data, and output it as a array...

    Code:
    if (strOutput.length() < 1) {
        	} else {
        		String processName[] = Misc.splitArgs(strOutput);
        		process = new StringBuffer(process).append(" "+processName[0]).toString();
        	}
        	strOutput = stdInput.readLine();
        	}
    :S

    then check for it with something like.

    Code:
    if process.contains("scar.exe") { Flag.User(); }
    or

    Code:
    if process.removeAllBut("java.exe").Length() > 10) { Flag.User(); }
    ^ Checks form ore than one java.exe process... (botting while on another acc, etc)

    I wrote that when I was 16 ... Imagine what Jagex can do >.>

    As I said, these can be illegal, but how would we know if they are doing it? I dont think u can VMWare Java Incoming commands

    then from that they can grab specific information about a process... and since you clicked accepted the signature, they can do w\e they want to your computer...

    >.>
    Hax0r


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    Again, they can't do any of that if it is ran as unsigned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moparisthebest View Post
    Again, they can't do any of that if it is ran as unsigned.
    So based on what I read, unsigned is the way to go.
    Can this get anyone flagged though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cstrike View Post
    So based on what I read, unsigned is the way to go.
    Can this get anyone flagged though?
    I believe the reason for the unsigned client is for people who's PC's can't run the signed client. So, in that case, no it would not get you flagged.

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    My pc can't run unsinged too well.

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    Found this in the Privacy Policy (http://www.runescape.com/privacy/privacy.ws):

    What other information is collected and stored?

    We use cookies, collect and store IP-addresses, alphanumeric IDs and other unique identifiers in order to identify specific computers that access our websites. We identify and store the versions of Java and .NET (if any) on your computer along with your browser and operating system, and details of your device's hardware and software specifications.

    We generate and store logs indicating usage of our websites such as activity in our games and public and private chat communications. This includes monitoring play patterns and anti-tamper checks which verify the correct internal operation of our software and are designed to spot abusive or inappropriate activities.

    We may track your use of certain features and areas of our websites to help us improve them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerryt View Post
    Found this in the Privacy Policy (http://www.runescape.com/privacy/privacy.ws):
    this is just modern day analytics every company uses

    +btw nice grave dig
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    I don't count this as a gravedig. Because this is still very good read to everyone.

    ~Home

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    What other information is collected and stored?

    We use cookies, collect and store IP-addresses, alphanumeric IDs and other unique identifiers in order to identify specific computers that access our websites. We identify and store the versions of Java and .NET (if any) on your computer along with your browser and operating system, and details of your device's hardware and software specifications.

    We generate and store logs indicating usage of our websites such as activity in our games and public and private chat communications. This includes monitoring play patterns and anti-tamper checks which verify the correct internal operation of our software and are designed to spot abusive or inappropriate activities.

    We may track your use of certain features and areas of our websites to help us improve them.
    If they do all this, then why the hell haven't they yet banned all of our bots on the spot? They "see" that our Players one after the other log in on the same session, never talk, always do the same ridiculous rounds hours after hours. what the F*** kind of ancient "banning" mechanism is that?

    I have been provoking them for weeks now, looooong sessions 24/7. No bans yet???


    EDIT: Home: Yes, No gravedig on this kind of info.
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    We produce Scripts for the game Runescape.

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    That they use ancient banning mechanism don't come as a bomb lol.

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    Need to look up standards for EULAs and TOS, and alsofind out what is lawfully allowed in said docs. Just because I "waive my rights" when I agree to it (by clicking, lol) doesn't mean a EULA can have absolute power. Things like constitutions, international law etc. have precedence over some companies quote un-quote contract. For example, if the EULA staed that by using their product, I waive my right to U.S. citizenship, that clause would never hold up in court and the U.S. Government would hopefully come down real hard on their ass.

    In the U.S. companies like google are working to update the digital due process laws to give the user more privacy.

    Digital Due Process

    Basically, to update the Electronic Communication Protection Act to protect privacy where privacy is expected, i.e. on ones own computer and between computers (meaning goverments and other groups can't just intercept data.)

    I know it is common practice for geeks to be paranoid about such things, but sometimes, chill out man. If you think someone is snooping at your computer... heck we are computer nerds. Write some program to track the accesses and prove it; take 'em to court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WT-Fakawi View Post
    If they do all this, then why the hell haven't they yet banned all of our bots on the spot? They "see" that our Players one after the other log in on the same session, never talk, always do the same ridiculous rounds hours after hours. what the F*** kind of ancient "banning" mechanism is that?

    I have been provoking them for weeks now, looooong sessions 24/7. No bans yet???
    This is exactly why I think there's no automatic banning in place, other than for packet stuff and I dunno what else would be a possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i luffs yeww View Post
    This is exactly why I think there's no automatic banning in place
    This is true as far as modern day macroing, however the automatic system is still in place to find people attempting to use programs like ghostmouse..

    Quote Originally Posted by WT-Fakawi View Post
    I have been provoking them for weeks now, looooong sessions 24/7. No bans yet???
    I don't believe they could ban people based on time played a day. It may be a factor that helps red flag an account, but they shouldn't and I don't think they will ever ban just based on time played per day. As far as "play patterns" that is irrelevant having a world wide player base. Play patterns are affected by weather, temperature, energy costs, holidays, night vs day, age, job, family, friends, time of year, security, in-game combat level, in-game skills, in-game content, in-game goals etc..They do not have the technology to monitor that worldwide and could not create a "play pattern" longer then 5 days..Not to mention the database that would log these "play patterns" would take up a huge amount of space. So if any type of player pattern match would take place, they'd have 1 independent variable and compare that to you & the other 200,000 people playing. This would not work because as I have mentioned the world wide player base is affected by different things..

    Fun fact for no-lifeing
    Randy Gardner holds the scientifically documented record for the longest period of time a human being has intentionally gone without sleep not using stimulants of any kind. In 1964;as a 17-year-old high school student in San Diego, California;Gardner stayed awake for 264 hours (eleven days), breaking the previous record of 260 hours held by Tom Rounds of Honolulu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uncfan1119 View Post
    This is true as far as modern day macroing, however the automatic system is still in place to find people attempting to use programs like ghostmouse..
    Would be fun to test if it even blocks ghostmouse... :P I don't think it would

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    Recently one of my scripts was out of control, spam clicking a wall. When I cam home 6 hours later, it was still clicking. I sometimes have these situations, and I'm not even banned yet.

    I think the old banning system has been turned of completely. I can remember someone mentioned that they upgraded the system, but that it gave to much false positives, so they turned it of. Maybe they didn't turned the old system back online?

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    Quote Originally Posted by masterBB View Post
    Recently one of my scripts was out of control, spam clicking a wall. When I cam home 6 hours later, it was still clicking. I sometimes have these situations, and I'm not even banned yet.

    I think the old banning system has been turned of completely. I can remember someone mentioned that they upgraded the system, but that it gave to much false positives, so they turned it of. Maybe they didn't turned the old system back online?
    haha lol, thats soooo like fagex, forgetting to turn on their bot detecting system.

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