Ten Years Later (A History of Cheating)

[abudtoker]

I found RS while playing miniclip in class...you know that old all in one gamesite that the servers wouldn block at school? In uh...2003..No earlier than 2002. That was when lesser demons were the beast to kill back in the day.

[Jelloman]

thx for that information novel!! I havent been around near as long as you, but I do remember some of the things you mentioned, Arya, and KYAB. It was actually through Moparscape that I found this community, and I have really enjoyed my stay. I only wish I had been around in the good ol' days when you could dupe party hats, lol, that would be epic (party hat duping and Jagex's response). It makes me wonder, what other games are out there, similar in addictiveness, but are only in their "RSC" stage...

[marpis]

Was very nice to read I knew you created SMART, but reflection too? You're basically the inventor of the best technique there is now. Nice!

[Zyt3x]

Was very nice to read I knew you created SMART, but reflection too? You're basically the inventor of the best technique there is now. Nice!

Here on SRL at least idk about other places

[Flight]

I didn't know there were multiple forms of Reflection? Maybe one day I'll get back into Runescape scripting and do a little bit of experimenting along those lines, I can tell you at this point I'm interested.

[3Garrett3]

Our reflection is different than that used by Java bots, afaik

[Method]

Our reflection is different than that used by Java bots, afaik

How so?

[BenLand100]

Here on SRL at least idk about other places

I did reflection using the java.lang.reflection API first, which is what is colloquially called "reflection" now, and afaik I referred to this type of data gathering on the RS client as "reflection" first. There were and are still bots that do bytecode injection that accomplish basically the same goals, but I wrote the first bot that didn't need to edit the client at all to grab data out of it which is the essence of what I called "reflection" as opposed to "injection"

I really liked your interpretation about the history of cheating parallel to the history of Runescape, but it seems like this is all just from your point of view.

Well, yes, its all from my point of view, and I'll admit my memory is sketchy sometimes, at best. But that being said, I hit the high points. I had forgotten about ScarScape, until you mentioned it, to be completely honest. Neither I nor the other community members and higher ups way back when were ever big fans of it (mostly because I was a Kaitnieks loyalist and NO ONE liked Sythe, haha). The name RuneCMS only slightly rings a bell, so idk about that. And the ItemDupe was discovered with a test AutoRune but could also be done manually with that generic packet editing program (I forget the name). Was pretty cool.

[Flight]

Yeah I remember the old fake packets that were once able to be sent to the classic game server, using the right ones could do alot more than dupe items but it seemed at that time that was the 'best' use of them.

RuneCMS ran pretty close with Kaitnieks in both time and community population. I was about as active with RuneCMS as you were with Kaitnieks, I'm assuming. Ha yeah, I'd agree about Sythe being a dump more or less, there was a time in the beginning when it kept a strong continuation of RuneCMS and closely tied in with Kaitnieks, but it didn't take long until it became a major step down for the RS cheating world.

Overall I'm like you, memory lies to me sometimes so I can only hope what I remember is accurate. I sure enjoyed your insight though.

[3Garrett3]

How so?

I meant roughly what Ben said, in fewer words. Our reflection is legitimately reflection, where other bots which are referred to as 'reflection' bots are generally 'injection' bots, although it accomplishes the same goal overall. This is to my knowledge and I was merely trying to offer an explanation.

[Method]

I meant roughly what Ben said, in fewer words. Our reflection is legitimately reflection, where other bots which are referred to as 'reflection' bots are generally 'injection' bots, although it accomplishes the same goal overall. This is to my knowledge and I was merely trying to offer an explanation.

Who refers to bots like RSBot as "reflection bots", though? The only people I can think of who might do that are people who are misinformed or are intentionally trying to mislead others.

[BenLand100]

Who refers to bots like RSBot as "reflection bots", though? The only people I can think of who might do that are people who are misinformed or are intentionally trying to mislead others.

There was one other bot (IBot maybe? Or an earlier version of RSBot? Idk) that did legitimate reflection, but it wasn't obvious at all. It was one that ruler worked on iirc.

[Method]

There was one other bot (IBot maybe? Or an earlier version of RSBot? Idk) that did legitimate reflection, but it wasn't obvious at all. It was one that ruler worked on iirc.

Yeah, iBot still uses reflection. I thought it was pretty obvious that it did, considering there's a ReflectionBot script class among others like ReflectionFields in the API.

[3Garrett3]

Yeah, iBot still uses reflection. I thought it was pretty obvious that it did, considering there's a ReflectionBot script class among others like ReflectionFields in the API.

Average people find that very obvious as well. *Nattt*

[P1nky]

I like how i was part of half of this <3 memories ... ole memories.

[Method]

Average people find that very obvious as well. *Nattt*

What?

[3Garrett3]

@Method,

An average person (or even a good Simba scripter) would not agree with the fact that it's very obvious, I was just sayin

[pyroryan]

@Method,

An average person (or even a good Simba scripter) would not agree with the fact that it's very obvious, I was just sayin

Hello. My name is "An average person" and I agree with Method.

[3Garrett3]

Hello. My name is "An average person" and I agree with Method.

Average person, ref dev?

Same thing? Whatevs. If everyone is gonna get butthurt and complain then cool shit. I simply meant that an every day kid doesn't go looking through the source code for a bot and then realize that there is a class called reflection or some shit.

So no, if you've gone through the source code and noticed such a thing, then you're going to think it's obvious that iBot uses reflection. An average person says "Ohh look a bot lets use it" or maybe "lets learn to script it" but doesn't search the sauce for it.

Sincerely,
An average person

[Her0n]

Nice read ;]

[P3rs0nal1ty]

amazingly interesting read (:
NO RETIRING FOR YOU!

only 20 d: such an amazing mind must be in there if u started at 12.
your knowledge is much appreciated. who knows where we would be now without you.
and im sure there may be much more to come (;

[Bobarkinator]

Very concise and very well put Ben. It's fun to read these things and remember those things. Thanks for this!

[tofurocks]

You were the first to implement reflection?
Damn man.

[Wolygon]

And here I was thinking history was boring, this is great. Awesome work for posting this, I once tried to look up this kind of history and I didn't have much luck.

It makes me wonder, what other games are out there, similar in addictiveness, but are only in their "RSC" stage...

In my opinion there is always an equal amount of "eurekas" which can discovered in the present compared to the past. Instead of acknowledging this we/I like to think "if only I was born in 1800s I would have invented *insert simple tech here*".

Not sure if my meaning is clear as I'm not a philosopher.

[The Prince of Randomness?]

Good read Benland. Cheers for bringing back the old days.