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    It's easier to just not mention SRL at all. We have the official SRL Wiki for that. Even better, don't mention SCAR or Arga, just make it about Ibot. Just link to SCAR/SRL and Argas own sites, because you really don't know what you are talking about, except for Ibot, and even that is questionable.

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    are ppl gonna like going to 2 wikis?

    No offence, but iBot is a better color clicker, Disregarding the amount of scripts

    by unbiased, I meant that its unbiased to any community.

    Your acting like its horrible to point out the straight facts, its like saying ARGA is just as good as Aryan.

    You guys just arent acceptive of a RS Cheating Wiki, Is it our fault we want to make an editable version of the 'RS Cheating Black Book', that is also easily acceptable?


    BTW, I looked at your Wiki, the only thing its about is scripting with SCAR/SRL
    ImpWiki is more of the history AND knowing how to script.

    You want to get pwnt again?
    Just reply

    EDIT::
    Are you still going to be saying SCAR has advantages over iBot when iScar comes out?

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    This is a placeholder. I will be reply to all of your posts shorty.

    Quote Originally Posted by Starblaster100 View Post
    This is such a load of shit. "The Official RS Cheating Wiki"

    My ass is more official that that.

    Stupidly bias towards Impsoft products.
    You haven't been around long enough to have a "History"

    Also, did you know, half of Impsoft random solvers (Probably more, like all of them) are based on SCAR / SRL ones?

    I lol'ed hard when i saw this. You're so insecure, you have to paste your name on EVERY DAMN LINE AVAILABLE just so everyone knows which idiot wrote this.

    And no, we dont want to say "Fuck Jaxex". Without them, there would be no iBot/ Nexus/ whatever it is now. Please change that to "Fuck Solarwind"

    kthxbia.
    Do you have someting against "Impsoft products"? Perhaps this is bc you are working for Sythe.
    The "Fuck Jaxex" was started by GenoDemon, he is a angry person by nature.

    please lets try to keep this constructive.
    Yes alot of the random logic comes from SRL. However some randoms do not.

    Hope to post more shorty, me and genodemon are going to try to nail walking tonight.

    Some food for thought. Would like to get a unit test script for SRL so that people can both compare more precisly iBot to scar and so that people can write delphi plugins for scar and compare timings to find the best solutions, perhaps help Freedy for i know he is working hard to optimze.
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    Hmm no, but we will be saying "dang, what else can ruler rip?" (IScar, the only point clearley is to use scar scripts...) .... Fact is, scar has proved itself :S Oh and what is not to like about Rs-r, good environment, low amount of nubs and plenty of experience and knowledge to help everyone out. To say that wiki is unbiased to any community is like saying that the KKK is not biased to hating black people.

    Ruler: Lets be honest... Starblaster gave clear evidence that this was a completley biased Wiki.

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    emm ruler isnt ripping SCAR,
    are you honestly saying iScar is a complete waste of time?
    We aren't 'ripping' SCAR, we are porting it to java, so when you place a java script into neXus, it will run with almost as much of the efficiency of an iBot script. With the ability to Minimize, and almost anything iBot can do.

    And for your info, its my wiki, and iScar is being made by lardmaster tyvm

    Give me proof (other than the name) that impwiki is biased to any COMMUNITY

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    Wow.

    Anow, Solar, I, and many others(sorry for not crediting) have put lots of effort into this wiki, and we are still doing so. We hope to make this wiki as truthful in facts as possible, with no biasing or discrimination being involved.

    We are trying to do are best- and merely pointing out facts, exactly as ruler had to show the comparison chart... and you guys are just- rejecting this whole idea.

    Impwiki is NOT ONLY IMPSOFT. It is a RUNESCAPE CHEATING WIKI. ARGA, IBOT, SCAR, AUTORUNE, ABOT, SBOT- everything will be involved!

    As people have already mentioned- how did you accept the Black Book so easily when it is so hard to accept this? This wiki is basically the Black Book itself, but even further advanced and recent!!!!!

    Everyone, I'll try and not be hostile- and I just ask that you guys may rethink blasting away at ImpWiki, and actually think of it constructively and try to help out.

    A wiki is where EVERYONE contributes. Why can't you guys help with it and try to help in the making of SCAR/SRL pages for ImpWiki?

    -seungki

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    Originally posted by Yakman:
    that so true, i dont know anyone who looks up to ruler in the same way we look up to Fakawi and Dankness,
    i dont know much about RS-R, but im guessing its a similar story in there
    Well know you know someone, buddy.

    @Seungki: That's awesome, I couldn't have said it better myself.

    This wiki was started by Anow, without him, it would not be there. As seungki said, it aims to be more up to date and contain more information. Anow, Seungki and I moderate the wiki and make sure there is solid information there.

    One question: I'm almost sure one of the mods limited my account because it takes almost forever to load pages and to view pages, I have to proxy in as a guest. Surprisingly, it loads really fast (even through a proxy). There is no reason that my account should be so slow to load pages. It gets to the point that I can't post replies most of the time. Could one of the admins please fix this?

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    Ill accept it when there are no little biased remarks to look down upon other cheats when they are special in there own way. Also, I helped by editing your Scar/Srl tutorial by giving a more in depth guide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avaphi View Post
    Ill accept it when there are no little biased remarks to look down upon other cheats when they are special in there own way. Also, I helped by editing your Scar/Srl tutorial by giving a more in depth guide.
    Thanks. See, now that's being constructive. I'm sure everyone appreciates this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avaphi View Post
    Ill accept it when there are no little biased remarks to look down upon other cheats when they are special in there own way. Also, I helped by editing your Scar/Srl tutorial by giving a more in depth guide.
    Thank you,

    there are small amounts of biased remarks, but none are to any COMMUNITY

    You cannot POSSIBLY say that ARGA is as good as Aryan, or,

    SCAR is as good as iScar, when it comes out.

    There are obvious FACTS, not Opinions, an opinion is something you cant prove, we can prove iScar will be faster, than SCAR now, and that SCAR is minimizable, while the pro version of neXus IS.

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    @ Starblaster100 + Avaphi

    See what you did now was constructive criticism + constructive editing!

    You have just led our ImpWiki another step into a better future.

    I thank you, and most likely all of ImpWiki thanks you.

    @solar and anow: Woot

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    Quote Originally Posted by anow2 View Post
    Thank you,

    there are small amounts of biased remarks, but none are to any COMMUNITY

    You cannot POSSIBLY say that ARGA is as good as Aryan, or,

    SCAR is as good as iScar, when it comes out.

    There are obvious FACTS, not Opinions, an opinion is something you cant prove, we can prove iScar will be faster, than SCAR now, and that SCAR is minimizable, while the pro version of neXus IS.
    1) ARGA > Aryan. Reason: ARGA == Private, It is much less detectable because Aryan used Deobs which if connected at the wrong point, or if JaGeX makes a large change in the Code, will fuck them hard. The only reason you think Aryan is good, is that it was public, which is complete bullshit. When you take a look at how much macrosoft could have made off ARGA, it is amazing. Instead they took the Free way, in which it inspired a great community to come together and learn some programming.

    2) Maybe iScar will be faster, but it doesnt really matter, the only reason people use iBot is there tired of scar, why would they use iScar... -.-... Agree to disagree

    3) Who wants to pay for NeXuS?

    4) Please remove the following statements from the IBOT overview:

    Code:
    Less detectable than a client forcing bot and SCAR/SRL.
    Reason: You have no idea what you are talking about when you talk about ARGAs detectability, it in fact, depends on the quality of script. Also, you said its less detectable then SCAR/SRL.... It is once again up to the quality of the script. This is completley rediculous, because if you make a shitty script in IBOT in which doesnt have good features, and compare it to a scar script doesnt have good features, they will both be the same in quality. As for ARGA, well it will just be 10X more accurate, better random solving and will be completley undetectable if implemented with a logout/login system similar to SRL's.

    Code:
    better than SCAR/SRL
    Reason: Perhaps speedwise, I am sure it is better. But SRL has more features.(and mouse functions).

    Code:
    Not as efficient as a client edit in theory.
    Reason: How the hell do you think IBOT is anywhere close to being as efficient as a ARGA "in theory"?

    Also, please removed the Java Modifiers tutorial as it has nothing to do with this wiki(Perhaps if the wiki was about learning java...) If anything add it into the IBot tutorial or scripting section. Add in a Scar scripting section.

    Please remove this from the "Cheating Overview" section:

    Code:
    With all of the disadvantages and defects outlined above, one can clearly see that SCAR is only good for a starter and can be discarded as an option after a few days of cheating experience.
    Clearley SRL has many more quality scripts, and even if you compare the amount of time SRL has been around, Ibot doesnt have nearly as many scripts(quality and quantity). Also, this is a bias comment.

    That should clear up most of it, but I will post again if I see any more Bias/Untrue info.

    PS: What would you think if I created a java plugin for scar in which it enabled the mouse events of mopars bot Cherokee, enabling scar users to use computer while using scar?( *Thinks about this idea *) I am sure there are plenty of other things that Mopar wouldnt mind me checking into using a java plugin(Borrow some of Ibots features maybe considering that Ruler borrowed some of SRL's?) 2morecents

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avaphi View Post
    1) ARGA > Aryan. Reason: ARGA == Private, It is much less detectable because Aryan used Deobs which if connected at the wrong point, or if JaGeX makes a large change in the Code, will fuck them hard. The only reason you think Aryan is good, is that it was public, which is complete bullshit. When you take a look at how much macrosoft could have made off ARGA, it is amazing. Instead they took the Free way, in which it inspired a great community to come together and learn some programming.

    2) Maybe iScar will be faster, but it doesnt really matter, the only reason people use iBot is there tired of scar, why would they use iScar... -.-... Agree to disagree

    3) Who wants to pay for NeXuS?
    All very good points
    What incentive does marcosoft have to keep their stuff undectable. It surly is not as of now. They have removed some stuff that made aryan dectable but at the same time the new engine brought new dectability issues so the net difference in terms of dectability is nil. Do they have customers? Do they feel the need to update asap? What guarantees do i have if i choose to invest time scripting for it?

    Dont take these points as flame, they have done great work!

    As for who pays for neXus, who payed for sbot2/3? Well most of the people who payed for it solely used it for flaxing, it was profitable due to the greatly diminished ban rates compared to aryan.

    As for iScar i dk, anyone that wants to can pursue it, i am too busy writing algothrims to solve advance problems.

    iScar was thought about at the time before we had every function scar has. Now that we are past this and on to much more advance functions. The newer functions are making past functions and logic of solving problems absolete.

    Spirals, tolerance are becoming a thing of the past as they are being pushed into the internals no longer needed to script. Encapsualtion is bringing about scripts that are very few lines
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    "Reason: Perhaps speedwise, I am sure it is better. But SRL has more features.(and mouse functions)."
    List some, plz

    iBot's mouse is the most advance to date.
    [x] Specify a Rectangle to keep the mouse in over the entire move. (Example a Menu)
    [x] move mouse off of applet and even click off the applet at least to the applets perspective.
    [x] specifiy how long the entire mouse action will take
    [x] Some of my advance functions watch the toptext as a mouse moves (while in flight).
    [x] change mouse in flight
    [x] multiple threads controlling mouse based on priority

    " it in fact, depends on the quality of script"
    [x] this is far from true, some bots are dectable at login, some are dectable after flagging.
    [x] They reflect thru the client looking at methods, fields and accesslevel. Arga injects methods into the client therefore if they check for that method signiture on one of client objects arga is in trouble.
    [x] Applet stub, a bad applet stub is a red flag, it must match runescape.com <APPLET></APPLET> html info


    "Reason: How the hell do you think IBOT is anywhere close to being as efficient as a ARGA "in theory"?"
    Example to find a npc on screen in arga, arga has to make dozens of calls to interface methods, this adds about x3 workload compared to aryan at the min.
    Arga iterates thru a npc array testing the npc for distance to the player, if on screen , if valid npc, etc. Each of these add more innvocation methods.

    iBot takes the color arrays and in one compact optimzed method does many many more calculations then arga but very few invocations.
    Sometimes it is faster to find the object using my findRGBCluster(RGB rgb[], Rectangle bounds, int maxMatches) which takes 10-60ms depending on the number of matches one wants.

    Bascially arga calls many methods and does do little math but iBot does alot of math but not many methods.

    "amount of time SRL"
    unfair comparison, SRL started with a working bot and working includes. They have also been at it longer and have many more active developers. I started with nothing. We have one thing in common encapsulation, we like to write a solution once and then build on top of it making more advance functions.
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    Well we dont have official timing numbers on ARGA do we? Ruler... ARGA navigates through runescape.com... Hmm, yes indeed you did start from nothing, but SRL started from basically nothing, though they had things to base there ideas on, they dont use anything from past includes aside from a few functions, and lets be serious, you based a few Ibot functions on some of Srl's. Although you do have some good points about IBot... You have got to admit, there are many a biased things in that wiki that deserve to be removed. Hmm, perhaps we should stop comparing SCAR/SRL to IBOT and get back on subject about the wiki. Sorry for the offtopicness everyone

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    Hm. I did just look in there, and that is funny. Whoever made this is specially retarted? Dunno, sorry Solarwind but seriously durrrrda durrrrrgh

    hakuna matata ;)

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    I dont believe i based many functions on srl.

    I add many things from scar for backward compadilbity and to use randoms from SRL but with by own twist, example sprials that start anywhere, bitmask and bitmaps combined. Tolerance but instead for each individual red,green,blue element, etc.

    I dont believe many do timings on arga, i did however posts some timings on different types of method invocations on the rs-r private sections.

    Yes lets turn out attention to.
    1. the best way to teach?

    I think that wikis are good for pocket refrence for those that have a good understand of what they are doing however.

    For the new ppl, wiki's can be overwhelming.

    I think videos might be easier to teach with, what is the best way to do videos? encoding them etc?
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    Hmmm... WMV is probably your best bet when it comes to Quality Vs Size. Question ruler: Could the function you based off findcolorspiral, be reprogrammed into scar?(Theoretically) Because if it could I would love to do it, because well... Its actually a very nice Function/Idea. I am thinking of an idea that could even help both bots, perhaps ill catch you on Msn.

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    QUOTE FROM SRL HOMEPAGE:
    SRL came into existence as a response to the include wars (include writers bashing each other) to bring standardization and cooperation to the include world.

    Mature approach
    The Developers are all well-known and respected members of the cheating community. They are well above petty include wars, and they are all in one way or another committed to the project.
    Now lets all be true SRL forum members and leave this stupid arguing alone.
    We know we are better, we know we are right, we don't need to sink down low to Impsot's level.

    Lets leave it at this and accept that deep inside we KNOW that we ARE THE BEST.

    Now hopefully all of you MATURE SRL forum members will listen and we can just leave this thread for Ruler, Solar, and arrow to talk to themselves.

    I don't get why they even come here. Just to "showoff" their "achievements".
    I guess they just don't get enough respect from their own nooby communities.

    We are peacefully here and rarely flame, but when people barge in saying that they don't like SRL and think they are so much better come, this is the outcome.

    It just seems like you come here to try to recruit more dedicated cheaters which we have such a plethora of here. I believe that most of the good dedicated and mature scripters come here because they just like scar better. We are not interested in Ibot, and if we are we will come and post at your forums. Please leave SRL out of this and your wiki.

    Why don't you IMPsofts just be quiet and only talk when you have someone useful and nice to say instead of showing off. We seriously don't give a damn about your crap here at SRL.

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    Yes all the every functions can be incorperated into scar but they must be done in the scar core that is the issue. Only few people are allowed.

    .dll's are unable to access delphi methods in scar, i think. You bascially have to write from the ground up in for a plugin i believe?


    yohojo8. i feel alot of my stuff is very useful. You have never tried any of my advance methods.
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    I think if Freddy would allow it, and release the source to a few functions. I would be able to reproduce some of the I bot functions? Anyways, I hope we can work together and develop some more advanced functions for all of SRL to enjoy

    PS: Perhaps I could get some of the functions in which SRL is lacking from you ruler? Then it could give me some ideas of which functions to re-create?

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    I have offered in the past. I been looking to add support for scar to run while minimized. In fact we had one running 8 months ago.

    I also suggested porting the logic to a .net platform.

    You have to understand that kaitnieks must agree. I dont think freddy has a big say.

    I dont think srl devs want scar for mass macroing.

    Some of you seem to forget this entire thing started as a scar add on. It turned into a bot bc SRL would not offically support UBI.
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    Ok, Ok Sorry Ruler for being rude.
    I just dont like some points in the wiki and how you are saying IBOT is better than scar and SRL at a scar and srl forum.

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    Guys, accept the new, we never said impsoft was better than SRL-Forums

    Quote where we said that. But iBot in theory is better, in every way EXCEPT for its scripters and randoms, but that will soon go away.

    As soon as iScar comes out you will beable to use SCAR for making real money, not just petty cash on the side for your main.

    We are giving you guys a chance to advance, instead of staying with your current technology, whether or not you think so, SCAR will be beat.

    SRL will still exist, their methods will be ported to neXus as soon as they come out, every SRL update in neXus will be lagging about a week behind current the current SRL.

    At this point the idea of iScar is to get people interested in what java can do for them, and hopefully convert them to script for iBot. (iBot scripts will always be faster than iScar scripts due to the non-need to 'translate' the script while running, but they will be very close)

    Think of this way, we are only providing you with a new client.

    by anow2
    by MrHams
    Guys, don't disrespect SCAR so much. It was the basis of RS2 cheating. And the people there can code better and are smarter. Especially dankness.
    we dont disrepect it, we just know that there are better alternatives now, its like saying we should all use windows 1.0 because it was the basis for windows machines.
    and with all the biased comments, SOME BOTS ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS, THATS A FACT.

    IBOT IS BETTER THAN SCAR, NOT AT THE MOMENT, BUT IT WILL BE.

    Find one thing SRL/SCAR has that iBot doesnt.

    The only advantage I can find is the easier scripting language.

    If you want to change anything in the wiki GO AHEAD, ITS A WIKI, EVERYONE SHOULD CONTRIBUTE!

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    Guys, accept the new, we never said impsoft was better than SRL-Forums

    Quote where we said that. But iBot in theory is better, in every way EXCEPT for its scripters and randoms, but that will soon go away.

    As soon as iScar comes out you will beable to use SCAR for making real money, not just petty cash on the side for your main.

    We are giving you guys a chance to advance, instead of staying with your current technology, whether or not you think so, SCAR will be beat.

    SRL will still exist, their methods will be ported to neXus as soon as they come out, every SRL update in neXus will be lagging about a week behind current the current SRL.

    At this point the idea of iScar is to get people interested in what java can do for them, and hopefully convert them to script for iBot. (iBot scripts will always be faster than iScar scripts due to the non-need to 'translate' the script while running, but they will be very close)

    Think of this way, we are only providing you with a new client.

    Guys, don't disrespect SCAR so much. It was the basis of RS2 cheating. And the people there can code better and are smarter. Especially dankness.
    we dont disrepect it, we just know that there are better alternatives now, its like saying we should all use windows 1.0 because it was the basis for windows machines.
    and with all the biased comments, SOME BOTS ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS, THATS A FACT.

    IBOT IS BETTER THAN SCAR, NOT AT THE MOMENT, BUT IT WILL BE.

    Find one thing SRL/SCAR has that iBot doesnt.

    The only advantage I can find is the easier scripting language.

    If you want to change anything in the wiki GO AHEAD, ITS A WIKI, EVERYONE SHOULD CONTRIBUTE!

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