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    Quote Originally Posted by cycrosism View Post
    Personally I don't smoke it and I probably never will.
    You don't need to smoke it you could have a space cake or have it in tea haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whacko999 View Post
    You don't need to smoke it you could have a space cake or have it in tea haha.
    Some of the 'space cakes' they sell at head shops in the US are full of shit like melatonin. They're nothing but brownies full of pills. The only way they're able to do this is because they're selling it as a dietary supplement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noidea View Post
    Some of the 'space cakes' they sell at head shops in the US are full of shit like melatonin. They're nothing but brownies full of pills. The only way they're able to do this is because they're selling it as a dietary supplement.
    Very easy to make yourself, Dutch kitch: space/pancakes/brownies/macaroni/pizza and every other meal with butter in it.

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    THC is available in tablet form for those that want it prescribed as medicine, therefore weed does not need to be legal for medical use.

    Any other argument about "money" is almost always easily disproved by the fact that many, many other countries in the world now allow hemp to be used commercially, BUT you don't see hemp dominating all these industries like fiber or paper or biofuels.

    Sure, it COULD be used for all of those purposes, but for any one of those uses there is always another better, cheaper natural source.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Failpailirl View Post
    the amount of pros substantially outweigh the cons.
    societal values, can't turn a housewife into a pothead

    also no medicinal value, yeah im gonna cure my glaucoma by taking up smoking, great plan you should be a doctor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackfire553 View Post
    societal values, can't turn a housewife into a pothead

    also no medicinal value, yeah im gonna cure my glaucoma by taking up smoking, great plan you should be a doctor.
    It doesn't have to be taken in the form of smoking. Obviously, any form of smoking is bad for your lungs, let alone a doctor prescribing it

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackfire553 View Post
    societal values, can't turn a housewife into a pothead

    also no medicinal value, yeah im gonna cure my glaucoma by taking up smoking, great plan you should be a doctor.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compass...w_Drug_program

    Maybe do some research before saying weed has no medicinal value. That's just a very small example, and you can see documentaries about at least one of the people in that program (George McMahon). I really dislike when people say that it has no value as a medicine. There are tons of people who would be dead if they never smoked/ate/vaped weed.

    And pills are pure THC, and THC itself isn't the best for you. There is more to weed than just that one chemical, which is why Marinol and whatever other one(s) there are are not a viable option (yet). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9J2N6_bl0A shows the difference between pure THC and liquid marijuana. And it's not just her that had that reaction; THC is the main psychoactive ingredient in weed, and CBD (among others) "combat" it's psychoactive properties (or some shit like that, lol I dunno right now).

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    LOL, I watched the video.

    If someone goes to the doctor because they are in horrible pain from cancer, does it really matter if the prescribed pill gives a high or a bad trip? As long as the pain is numbed, I don't think the doctor is going to care if you enjoyed yourself or not.

    And the drug companies can always blend in other components if it really reduces adverse side effects. And then there would be standardized dosages, rather than a person having no idea if they're buying high THC pot or low.

    If people want it to be used medically it needs to be held to the same high standards and scrutiny as other medical drugs are.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tarajunky View Post
    LOL, I watched the video.

    If someone goes to the doctor because they are in horrible pain from cancer, does it really matter if the prescribed pill gives a high or a bad trip? As long as the pain is numbed, I don't think the doctor is going to care if you enjoyed yourself or not.

    And the drug companies can always blend in other components if it really reduces adverse side effects. And then there would be standardized dosages, rather than a person having no idea if they're buying high THC pot or low.

    If people want it to be used medically it needs to be held to the same high standards and scrutiny as other medical drugs are.
    To add to that, just as Tylenol-3's cannot be purchased "over-the-counter" an d it must have a doctor prescription, the same would go for THC. Generally, this eliminates the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarajunky View Post
    dat quote
    I have thought about that quite a lot, and I don't think there's enough research to weigh my opinion. On one hand I do agree that consistent doses for medicine are better than people just taking it whenever, but one thing that I think is great about weed is that it can be "taken" as needed and there won't be any overdosing, side effects, or the like that modern western medicine would give you if you didn't take it consistently.

    I also don't think it's a replacement for a good chunk of medicine, nor should it be used too self medicate, and talking to a physician is always a good choice if one is worried about their health.

    I mostly want it to be legalized for recreational purposes to be honest. Pros outweigh the cons, in my opinion, to have drugs (weed, heroin, ecstasy, etc.) legal and regulated by the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whacko999 View Post
    You don't need to smoke it you could have a space cake or have it in tea haha.
    I don't want to have it in my system at all haha :P
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    It's illegal because it was only discovered at a relatively recent date. Due to health and safety issues these days, many things that would have been legal if they were introduced 100/200 years ago aren't. We only have things like alcohol and tobacco because they've been in our culture for many years, and illegalising it would be far too much of a hassle. It's the same with things like cars, they're only legal because we depend on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    It's illegal because it was only discovered at a relatively recent date. Due to health and safety issues these days, many things that would have been legal if they were introduced 100/200 years ago aren't. We only have things like alcohol and tobacco because they've been in our culture for many years, and illegalising it would be far too much of a hassle. It's the same with things like cars, they're only legal because we depend on them.
    wat. Weed has been being used forever. It was "introduced" before the current era. It's illegal in America as both hemp and marijuana because some paper guy called it "marihuana/marijuana" for the first time and said how it was used by blacks and Mexicans and it made them look at white women twice and step on white men's shadows and made them perform other "unacceptable" acts. People didn't know that hemp was from the same plant which they just outlawed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i luffs yeww View Post
    I have thought about that quite a lot, and I don't think there's enough research to weigh my opinion. On one hand I do agree that consistent doses for medicine are better than people just taking it whenever, but one thing that I think is great about weed is that it can be "taken" as needed and there won't be any overdosing, side effects, or the like that modern western medicine would give you if you didn't take it consistently.

    I also don't think it's a replacement for a good chunk of medicine, nor should it be used too self medicate, and talking to a physician is always a good choice if one is worried about their health.

    I mostly want it to be legalized for recreational purposes to be honest. Pros outweigh the cons, in my opinion, to have drugs (weed, heroin, ecstasy, etc.) legal and regulated by the government.
    Boo hoo you can't get high legally, I can understand the pro's being the medicinal benefits, recreation doesn't matter imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smarter Child View Post
    Boo hoo you can't get high legally, I can understand the pro's being the medicinal benefits, recreation doesn't matter imo.
    lolwat? I smoke weed ERRDAY (not really). I live in Oregon, too, so it's pretty relaxed laws here.

    The reason it'd be better to be legal (more so for harder drugs) and regulated by the government is because then people will have a lower chance of ODing due to not knowing the strength of what they're taking. I have a close friend who has almost OD'd a few times and has literally died before from not knowing the strength of the heroin she was doing.

    There's more to it than getting high. You may say recreational use "doesn't matter," but you're being extremely naive for not accepting that people will do drugs for recreational purposes regardless of how bad it is for them, and that issue needs to be addressed.

    Then again, this is just SRL, so it's not like a lot of the discussion about weed is thought out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i luffs yeww View Post
    lolwat? I smoke weed ERRDAY (not really). I live in Oregon, too, so it's pretty relaxed laws here.

    The reason it'd be better to be legal (more so for harder drugs) and regulated by the government is because then people will have a lower chance of ODing due to not knowing the strength of what they're taking. I have a close friend who has almost OD'd a few times and has literally died before from not knowing the strength of the heroin she was doing.

    There's more to it than getting high. You may say recreational use "doesn't matter," but you're being extremely naive for not accepting that people will do drugs for recreational purposes regardless of how bad it is for them, and that issue needs to be addressed.

    Then again, this is just SRL, so it's not like a lot of the discussion about weed is thought out.
    Not knowing the strength of the drug is a lack of proper judgement on the user's part. It's not that I don't accept that people will do drugs for recreational purposes, rather that it isn't a valid enough reason for doing them. Why do something harmful if it won't benefit you? Certain drugs just aren't worth the risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smarter Child View Post
    Not knowing the strength of the drug is a lack of proper judgement on the user's part. It's not that I don't accept that people will do drugs for recreational purposes, rather that it isn't a valid enough reason for doing them. Why do something harmful if it won't benefit you? Certain drugs just aren't worth the risk.
    You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smarter Child View Post
    Not knowing the strength of the drug is a lack of proper judgement on the user's part. It's not that I don't accept that people will do drugs for recreational purposes, rather that it isn't a valid enough reason for doing them. Why do something harmful if it won't benefit you? Certain drugs just aren't worth the risk.
    i dont mean to sound like a dick, but have you ever even actually smoked marajuana before? just a question

    It always confuses me why people go into wars about how we got here, and where we go when we die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smarter Child View Post
    Not knowing the strength of the drug is a lack of proper judgement on the user's part. It's not that I don't accept that people will do drugs for recreational purposes, rather that it isn't a valid enough reason for doing them. Why do something harmful if it won't benefit you? Certain drugs just aren't worth the risk.
    Lots of indigenous cultures use drugs to achieve altered state of consciousness. Not all of them are fun in the sun.

    And as far as I am concerned it's not up to you to decide if a drug is worth a "risk". Are you a doctor? Are you the person taking the drugs?

    I don't care if it's heroin, crack, meth, PCP, ketamine, weed, mushrooms, LSD, mescaline, MDMA or cocaine. What you put in your body and consume is your business not mine. We can sit here and argue the dangers and benefits of drugs, or we can all realize that's stupid and let people do what they wish instead of trampling on their freedoms.

    Valid reason or not, why does it matter if it's not you? (I'm not even going to get into what a "valid reason" even is)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capricorn View Post
    I don't care if it's heroin, crack, meth, PCP, ketamine, weed, mushrooms, LSD, mescaline, MDMA or cocaine.
    You haven't witnessed the destructive nature of meth. It should be as illegal...

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    Quote Originally Posted by masterBB View Post
    You haven't witnessed the destructive nature of meth. It should be as illegal...
    Like I said, I don't feel like getting into if X is bad/good. All I care about are personal freedoms.

    I think it's more tragic for a person to die from a gang fight or from crazy drug cartels or a meth lab explosion then it is for a meth junkie to die from addiction. If meth were legal it would be easier for people to get help too, since they could openly say they do meth and not worry prosecution.

    And what does it matter if I haven't witnessed the destructive nature of meth? What I have witnessed is people who have been addicted to meth as well as people who only used meth for a short period of time. None of them are wrecks rotting away in a back alley either. So from my experiences is it fair to conclude meth is perfectly safe to use?

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to promote meth here. Sure meth ruins lives but not every person who uses it. The same goes for every other drug, weed included. And perhaps there are more cases of meth use ruining lives, it is addictive for sure and it does lots of damage after prolonged use.

    Whatever though, like I said I don't care about if meth is addictive. What I care about is personal freedoms. Here is a article about methamphetamine by the way. It's biased of course but it's still a fairly good read (imo). It's semi-related to the topic at hand because since weed and meth are both illegal, there is some cross over about the issues applying to both.

    http://www.strike-the-root.com/61/victor/victor1.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capricorn View Post
    herp derp derp
    I've read it, still I'm not completely convinced.

    Here in the Netherlands we have a law that we have to wear seatbelts when the car is driving('engine running'). This has been because of several reasons. One of them is at a car accident, the driver and passengers would have dramatically more injuries. These injuries have to be paid. Indirectly this would cost the average civilian money. This law protects the other people.

    If you make the selling and using of meth legal, you could have multiple problems. One of them is how do you explain against the not users that they have to pay for yet another meth user who has crossed the line. How would would explain to a car driver that it was not his fault he drove over that guy, that was tripping on the streets and felt for the car.

    You can't. It's very hard to explain to the people who have been an indirect casualty of the meth legalization, that it's just for freedom that they have to suffer. Cause normally, when someone makes someone else suffer, we throw the in jail, don't we. I think that in contrast with soft drugs and drugs harvested directly from mother nature(paddos, weed, etc), Meth is much more addictive. Legalizing it could make hard drug addiction as common as cigarette addiction (<- probably not, this is just a worst case).

    It's not easy to ban nor legalize it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Failpailirl View Post
    please, give me any link at all, that proves that marijuana is a gateway drug, honestly its like saying that coffee is a gateway drug to cigarettes or milk is a gateway drug to alcohol.
    You're naive if you honestly think that marijuana in it's current state isn't a gateway drug. The people who sell weed are often the same people who sell other drugs. Not everyone who smokes weed does other drugs but I can't name very many people who do other drugs and didn't start with weed. Don't get me wrong, I smoke weed and I think that legalizing it could remove that gateway aspect and make other drugs more inaccessible. However, it scares me to think that another drug could substitute weeds place as young peoples "rebel," considering weed is fairly harmless compared to most recreational drugs. I'm 100% for decriminalization, my opinion is still developing on legalization, I'd like to see a more legalized version of Amsterdam before making a full decision. I'm from Canada by the way, weed isn't really frowned upon at all here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capricorn View Post
    Lots of indigenous cultures use drugs to achieve altered state of consciousness. Not all of them are fun in the sun.

    And as far as I am concerned it's not up to you to decide if a drug is worth a "risk". Are you a doctor? Are you the person taking the drugs?

    I don't care if it's heroin, crack, meth, PCP, ketamine, weed, mushrooms, LSD, mescaline, MDMA or cocaine. What you put in your body and consume is your business not mine. We can sit here and argue the dangers and benefits of drugs, or we can all realize that's stupid and let people do what they wish instead of trampling on their freedoms.

    Valid reason or not, why does it matter if it's not you? (I'm not even going to get into what a "valid reason" even is)
    You're selfish to not care about the well-being of others. Quit thinking about yourself. You're almost saying that if you witnessed someone light them self on fire, you'd just watch them burn and be like "who cares, not me?"Not to mention that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. In addition, I may not be a drug user or a doctor but if I could help someone in any way possible, I would at least try to help and not let people do stupid things. [as you put it]
    The rights and freedoms of the people sometimes need to be limited for the benefit of society.
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