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    Quote Originally Posted by cycrosism View Post
    Saw this on the IRC a while ago, anyway I am glad things like that get logged. :/
    That wasn't me, someone has been impersonating me (Have logs to prove it, oooh wow fancy that). I have also changed my hoskmask and have never had "hhd" as my username/real name.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zyt3x View Post
    The problem isn't that it's being logged, it's that the logs are publicly available
    Not anymore, and as said already in this thread changes are being made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frement View Post
    If you willingly allow it, as you have been on the IRC channel while you know it is being logged, I don't think you have any rights to fight for your privacy.
    I don't think it's really your position to tell them what rights they do or don't have >.>
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    Internet is public. FYI.

    Anything you post, write, do, can all be re-traced and re-looked at again.
    No matter if he does or does not log your data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overtime View Post
    Internet is public. FYI.

    Anything you post, write, do, can all be re-traced and re-looked at again.
    No matter if he does or does not log your data.
    just because it can doesnt mean it should be easier for people to access that information.

    Im agreeing with what people said previously, if somebody really wants the logs, they can just idle in the irc.

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    The site is already down.

    http://thehhd.com/irclogs.html

    Enough qq, enough of the whole privacy concern, enough of the damn pointing fingers on who's doing what.

    If you don't like it, stay underneath the rock. Your identity will be protected 100% since its such a concern to everyone.

    You make it seem like you guys are sharing your social security numbers on there, or addresses.

    Those are bigger problems, not fcking virtual logs over the damn internet.

    Seriously, grow up.

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    Crazyness.

    There are CCTV cams everywhere, why not complain about that to ?

    I think a warning should be put in place, so people know as someone said.

    I don't care where your from if you don't put a warning up you must be breaking some kind of law ? same for CCTV, Speed cameras, guard dog, if something is high voltage ect...... If you don't like it tho, if you know about it then leave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakkle View Post
    Crazyness.

    There are CCTV cams everywhere, why not complain about that to ?

    I think a warning should be put in place, so people know as someone said.

    I don't care where your from if you don't put a warning up you must be breaking some kind of law ? same for CCTV, Speed cameras, guard dog, if something is high voltage ect...... If you don't like it tho, if you know about it then leave.
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    This whole situation is trivial. You are not 13. COPPA is a US law, and you are on a public IRC server in a public channel. If you are concerned with your privacy, don't join the channel. That said, the logs should at least not be indexed as well as users being able to opt-out and their messages will be ignored and not logged.
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    I take nether side as I don't care...

    Quote Originally Posted by noidea View Post
    Under section 1303.a.1: I would call collecting the personal messages directed at a single channel, not publicly (anyone not in the channel at the time), collecting personal information. I would also say that you very-well know it is easy for a child - anyone under 13, as described by COPPA - to access irc, and then be logged unknowingly.
    The personal messages are not personal information. Read the site you posted....

    (8) PERSONAL INFORMATION.—The term "personal information" means individually identifiable information about an individual collected online, including—

    (A) a first and last name;

    (B) a home or other physical address including street name and name of a city or town;

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    (D) a telephone number;

    (E) a Social Security number;

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    (G) information concerning the child or the parents of that child that the website collects online from the child and combines with an identifier described in this paragraph.

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    They are just logs of a public chat room? Who cares?
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    What's the purpose of recording everyone's conversation in an IRC chat room?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel View Post
    They are just logs of a public chat room? Who cares?
    Well, obviously somebody cares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dgby714 View Post
    I take nether side as I don't care...



    The personal messages are not personal information. Read the site you posted....

    (8) PERSONAL INFORMATION.—The term "personal information" means individually identifiable information about an individual collected online, including—

    (A) a first and last name;

    (B) a home or other physical address including street name and name of a city or town;

    (C) an e-mail address;

    (D) a telephone number;

    (E) a Social Security number;

    (F) any other identifier that the Commission determines permits the physical or online contacting of a specific individual; or

    (G) information concerning the child or the parents of that child that the website collects online from the child and combines with an identifier described in this paragraph.

    Personal messages contain personal information. I have seen first and last names, Facebook accounts, emails, telephone numbers thrown around extensively while I've been on #srl. When public logs are available, all this information becomes available. I'm sure any court would uphold what I've said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noidea View Post
    Personal messages contain personal information. I have seen first and last names, Facebook accounts, emails, telephone numbers thrown around extensively while I've been on #srl. When public logs are available, all this information becomes available. I'm sure any court would uphold what I've said.
    Ok going by your logic, we could also say something along the lines of, "Since a box 'had' stolen goods in it at one time, it's illegal to have the box at any time."

    Hobbit tries his best to keep personal information out of logs (Phone numbers) but filtering addresses and names is impossible, you're asking for too much.

    I also doubt a court would hold it up as you said the information in a "PUBLIC" channel.

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    Guys, who cares about the law. Just all ask Hobbit to remove it kindly, I don't see anyone in particular opposing to removing the logs.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason2gs View Post
    It's kind of senseless to cite COPPA since it's an US law and Hobbit lives in Canada.

    Edit: Also, this thread is silly. Hobbit, stop being a dick. Give people the ability to opt-out.

    Edit: Also, I doubt anyone on #SRL is under the age of thirteen.
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    the thing that I am/would be worried about is someone finding the logs, reading something inappropriate, interpreting it wrong and reporting.
    Example..
    Harri, I'm not peso
    Boom, sure you are harri

    That is just an example but someone could take it literally...

    I don't understand why you WANT the logs, surely there is no reason to keep them

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    Seriously you guys dont see why he shouldnt log?

    I can think of multiple reason.

    1. Being harrasment.

    If someone is harrasing someone in the IRC, Hobbit can pull up the logs on it, and report it.

    2.) Scamming.

    If anyone is trying to scam yet again he can check the log, report it. etc.

    etc, etc, etc..

    You get the idea now right?

    There are numerous reasons why ANYTHING should be recorded for evidence of proof someone's wrong doing.

    That being said, I say leave it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overtime View Post
    Seriously you guys dont see why he shouldnt log?

    I can think of multiple reason.

    1. Being harrasment.

    If someone is harrasing someone in the IRC, Hobbit can pull up the logs on it, and report it.

    2.) Scamming.

    If anyone is trying to scam yet again he can check the log, report it. etc.

    etc, etc, etc..

    You get the idea now right?

    There are numerous reasons why ANYTHING should be recorded for evidence of proof someone's wrong doing.

    That being said, I say leave it.
    Seriously.

    At any one time there are at least 10 people (maybe an underestimate) who are in the channel logging for personal use, which is understandable. They don't display them publicly, but if need be they could use them as evidence for things like you stated if someone asked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Overtime View Post
    1. Being harrasment.

    If someone is harrasing someone in the IRC, Hobbit can pull up the logs on it, and report it.

    2.) Scamming.

    If anyone is trying to scam yet again he can check the log, report it. etc.
    If someone's being harassed, they /ignore the person or deal with it.

    If someone was to scam someone in #SRL they'd use private communications.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    If someone was to scam someone in #SRL they'd use private communications.
    Plus, I can assure you my client logs everything that happens as well. I'm sure with me many others.



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    Is this thread serious? what a joke..

    Public chat channel, publicly available...

    almost like making a youtube video and complaining people can see it
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    Quote Originally Posted by grats View Post
    Is this thread serious? what a joke..

    Public chat channel, publicly available...

    almost like making a youtube video and complaining people can see it
    Have to say, that's an awful analogy.. You can make videos private and opt-out of having people see your video(s). What some people are proposing is to have a similar system to that - if you don't care to be logged, then you may be logged. If you'd rather keep your privacy, you may do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i luffs yeww View Post
    Have to say, that's an awful analogy.. You can make videos private and opt-out of having people see your video(s). What some people are proposing is to have a similar system to that - if you don't care to be logged, then you may be logged. If you'd rather keep your privacy, you may do so.
    and you can make your IRL convos private by private messaging people
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    Quote Originally Posted by grats View Post
    and you can make your IRL convos private by private messaging people
    You don't even use the IRC, get out. We like to talk about stuff that would be considered controversial by some people, we simply request other people don't see it unless they're in the channel at that time. That simple.


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