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    Tbqh, I would prefer it if all scripts were fully color and worked perfectly. But even if that happened, it's never gonna be as fast as reflection, considering that reflection can click things that are out of view and pinpoint things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by litoris View Post
    Tbqh, I would prefer it if all scripts were fully color and worked perfectly. But even if that happened, it's never gonna be as fast as reflection, considering that reflection can click things that are out of view and pinpoint things.
    colour will hardly ever be faster than reflection because reflection can grab the position straight from the client whereas colour has to search each pixel on the screen

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    Read the whole thread. A lot of valid points have been put forward.
    Historically speaking: there are a couple of reasons why we kept to color all these years. All have been mentioned:

    1. color doesn't break after each update.
    2. color is the only 100% legal option.

    Given the above, my own personal reasons for color are:
    1. I understand color completely, I dont understand reflection at all.
    2. Reflection is cheating-within-cheating, no challenge for me.
    3. I rely on no-one else. It is just me and Simba. I like that idea.


    But I am realistic enough to see that my "craftsmanship" is slowly dying out. I am probably the only one left scripting 100% in color. And in all of my scripts I had to reinvent the wheel time and again. They all needed little tweaks here and there. There is no big picture with color, there is a big picture with reflection.

    As Drakan and others stated: as long as there will be people willing to update the hooks, reflection will keep on working. But for how long? That will entirely depend on the community. If the last RefDev drops, than it is byebye scripting. If you want to go along on this path, than that is the gamble you will need to take.

    The only valid argument that stays for me -as I am the owner- is the legality of it all. Are we 100% legal? No, we are not. Not even from the early beginning, we haven't been legal. Despite that, in all these years our community has been tolerated by our beloved company. We are gentlemen, masterthieves, Digital Robin Hoods. We neither deal nor care for money. Thus our community has never been sued, as the accusations will not stand in court. Jackex has other communities to worry about.


    tl;dr: Fakwi says: investigate SRL and see if you can get rid of color. My guess is: It will be hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weequ View Post
    With color you could make a script that refreshes the page after rs update and keeps botting. (I remember doing this with Harry's fightcaver).
    If SMART didn't throw an error after every RS update, SRL would be able to do this already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coh3n View Post
    If SMART didn't throw an error after every RS update, SRL would be able to do this already.
    Well, it certainly didn't throw errors before. I was able to just call SmartSetup() again and it would just work.



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    Everyone forgets major updates and the months/years of downtime associated with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WT-Fakawi View Post
    Read the whole thread. A lot of valid points have been put forward.
    Historically speaking: there are a couple of reasons why we kept to color all these years. All have been mentioned:

    1. color doesn't break after each update.
    2. color is the only 100% legal option.

    Given the above, my own personal reasons for color are:
    1. I understand color completely, I dont understand reflection at all.
    2. Reflection is cheating-within-cheating, no challenge for me.
    3. I rely on no-one else. It is just me and Simba. I like that idea.


    But I am realistic enough to see that my "craftsmanship" is slowly dying out. I am probably the only one left scripting 100% in color. And in all of my scripts I had to reinvent the wheel time and again. They all needed little tweaks here and there. There is no big picture with color, there is a big picture with reflection.

    As Drakan and others stated: as long as there will be people willing to update the hooks, reflection will keep on working. But for how long? That will entirely depend on the community. If the last RefDev drops, than it is byebye scripting. If you want to go along on this path, than that is the gamble you will need to take.

    The only valid argument that stays for me -as I am the owner- is the legality of it all. Are we 100% legal? No, we are not. Not even from the early beginning, we haven't been legal. Despite that, in all these years our community has been tolerated by our beloved company. We are gentlemen, masterthieves, Digital Robin Hoods. We neither deal nor care for money. Thus our community has never been sued, as the accusations will not stand in court. Jackex has other communities to worry about.


    tl;dr: Fakwi says: investigate SRL and see if you can get rid of color. My guess is: It will be hard.
    Love that post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wizzup? View Post
    Well, it certainly didn't throw errors before. I was able to just call SmartSetup() again and it would just work.
    If that's the case, I'm amazed. You are the first person I've come across that doesn't get the "Invalid declaration" or whatever error without first loading RS in their browser after an update.

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    Coh3n: Mabey Wizzup means that "before" = like a 1 year ago?

    And for me at somepoint it didn't give anykind of errors, even RS got an update. But now it does :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Home View Post
    Coh3n: Mabey Wizzup means that "before" = like a 1 year ago?

    And for me at somepoint it didn't give anykind of errors, even RS got an update. But now it does :/

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    Well I'd like to know what changed. It's the only thing stopping SRL from running straight through updates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coh3n View Post
    Well I'd like to know what changed. It's the only thing stopping SRL from running straight through updates.
    I think when safe mode turned into a option verses the default is when it happened

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    Quote Originally Posted by MylesMadness View Post
    I think when safe mode turned into a option verses the default is when it happened
    Oh I see. I've talked to Ben about it and he said it is possible to fix. We just need to find someone with the knowledge to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coh3n View Post
    Oh I see. I've talked to Ben about it and he said it is possible to fix. We just need to find someone with the knowledge to do so.
    You can say that about *everything*

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    Quote Originally Posted by weequ View Post
    With color you could make a script that refreshes the page after rs update and keeps botting. (I remember doing this with Harry's fightcaver).

    I think it's harder to keep up reflection include than it's to keep up color include but I might be completely wrong. (You don't have to update color multiple times every week).

    Reflection is good because it's easier to make complex scripts with it.
    We dont even have to make changes to the include when RS Updates. Pryoryan has an updater than automatically uploads the hook file to the server and scripts are auto-updated at run time. Reflection is easy to keep up with.

    EDIT: @IF: Well of course if there's a major update and no one is willing to fix, then yes it will be down for a long time. Pyroryan is already ready for the next runetek engine, and the downtime will be much less. But thats the only time there is a substantial down-time, and that happens every couple of years or more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MylesMadness View Post
    I think when safe mode turned into a option verses the default is when it happened
    Just wondering.. How do you turn safemode off in SMART?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ry0240 View Post
    Just wondering.. How do you turn safemode off in SMART?
    I think smart requires safemode

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    Quote Originally Posted by MylesMadness View Post
    I think when safe mode turned into a option verses the default is when it happened
    Oh ok, I thought you were referring this quote to SMART.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ry0240 View Post
    Just wondering.. How do you turn safemode off in SMART?
    You can edit the executing command.

    Check out smart.simba and look for SmartSetup. The last parm, 's', is the key it sends when loading, which enables safe mode.

    If you turn off safe mode, I am pretty sure nothing will work though in terms of color finding and such.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    You can edit the executing command.

    Check out smart.simba and look for SmartSetup. The last parm, 's', is the key it sends when loading, which enables safe mode.

    If you turn off safe mode, I am pretty sure nothing will work though in terms of color finding and such.
    Ahh ok, Would that affect any part of your PSWC? Reflection doesn't need color finding right?

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    It depends on SRL so no it would not work. Could try and see but you will probably come out disappointed.


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    @WT-Fakawi:
    You made some really good points, I didn't think about those before. What you brought up about us being the least of worries for Jagex will remain true no matter methods we use for building and running scripts.

    We've always been, like Wizzup? stated (somewhere, Mopar was it?), more for flying under the radar as opposed to what's popular today; abusing these scripts to get the absolute max return from the time spent running them. I personally think that's because the more bots that are available > the more users are using them > the more they strive to be the 'best', and the closer they get to that goal the further they lose focus on priority #1: blending in.

    Leave it to Fakawi to make us all feel shameful for using Reflection. Even I'm guilty of pushing my scripts to be as fast as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WT-Fakawi View Post
    Given the above, my own personal reasons for color are:
    1. I understand color completely, I dont understand reflection at all.
    2. Reflection is cheating-within-cheating, no challenge for me.
    3. I rely on no-one else. It is just me and Simba. I like that idea.
    I couldn't agree more.
    Quote Originally Posted by WT-Fakawi View Post
    I am probably the only one left scripting 100% in color.
    Not the only one. (MSI doesn't count as it's not my personal script )

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCDS View Post
    I couldn't agree more.

    Not the only one. (MSI doesn't count as it's not my personal script )
    You can count one more. I have only just started scripting, and so have no scripts to show for it, but my first one will be done soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    It depends on SRL so no it would not work. Could try and see but you will probably come out disappointed.
    Is this the write thing to take remove? It's on line 70-73
    Code:
    procedure SendKeys(S: String);
    begin
      SmartSendKeys(S);
    end;
    I think that's right because SRL stats is showing me as not logged in, so far the script is running okay apart from SRL stats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ry0240 View Post
    Is this the write thing to take remove? It's on line 70-73
    Code:
    procedure SendKeys(S: String);
    begin
      SmartSendKeys(S);
    end;
    I think that's right because SRL stats is showing me as not logged in, so far the script is running okay apart from SRL stats.
    Simba Code:
    SmartSetup('http://'+prefix+'.runescape.com/', 'plugin.js?param=o0,a' + IntToStr((Integer(not(Signed)) + 1) * Integer(not((SuperDetail and Signed)))) + ',m' + IntToStr(Integer(Members)), 765, 503, 's');


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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    It depends on SRL so no it would not work. Could try and see but you will probably come out disappointed.
    not completely, i have had one of my reflection scripts running in high detail and off safe mode and it worked perfectly

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