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    Quote Originally Posted by Echo_ View Post
    Couldn't you have a program iterate through all of the methods in the 668 client, store them in a map of some sort, then iterate through all of the methods in the new client removing methods with matching descriptors from the map? That would narrow down the amount of code we have to look through to find their detection.
    Using KNN or another algorithm, sure.

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    This update truly deserves a spot in the little black book

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    Also this:

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    Quote Originally Posted by c0de View Post
    Also this:
    Thats nothing. I was online with only 23 people in my world last night. People we need to hurry up and make scripts. I'm going to start on my Karamja fisher.
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    Im updating my Draynor fisher. Should be finished this weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingarabian View Post
    Thats nothing. I was online with only 23 people in my world last night. People we need to hurry up and make scripts. I'm going to start on my Karamja fisher.
    Quote Originally Posted by noidea View Post
    Im updating my Draynor fisher. Should be finished this weekend.
    MSI has both in case that affects anything.

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    If I recall, RSBuddy's progress resulted in the mere loading of the client and obtaining a ban instantaneously on login.

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    Progress and more progress! That's good news


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    Quote Originally Posted by c0de View Post
    Also this:
    I wonder how that affects the number of worlds... Hopefully Jagex doesn't shut too many down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t4 View Post
    If I recall, RSBuddy's progress resulted in the mere loading of the client and obtaining a ban instantaneously on login.
    Where did you get that information?
    The official anouncements and blogs state that it is not distributed to anyone yet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenLand100 View Post
    Accurate statement is accurate. I would expound on this, but that would be a bit off topic. Short and sweet: The recent bots (anything in the last two years) worked because Aryan worked (to any devs that disagree with me, don't lie to yourselves; you couldn't have gotten reflection working without using the pre-existing knowledge that existed from mooching Aryan's codebase). Aryan worked because the client could be easily decompiled and studied. Now? Lol. The only real hope for a speedy recovery is if EVERYTHING code wise is the same and it's simple to figure out how Jagex has stored everything. Then an attempt at an updater could ensue, but this will be at least months away.

    My two cents.
    I massively agree with you about the reference to all current bots being massively based off, and or influenced heavily by Aryan - As for a speedy recovery, it's not looking promising at the moment. Jagex have done themself a nice little treat at the moment: Switching around usage of native code, mashing everything into one huuuge array and removing (as we know / define it) the loader.

    What has been learned recently (and when I say recently, I mean over the last year or two) has to be completely thrown to a side and only used for assisting in what must be redone now as far as I'm concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowie` View Post
    I massively agree with you about the reference to all current bots being massively based off, and or influenced heavily by Aryan - As for a speedy recovery, it's not looking promising at the moment. Jagex have done themself a nice little treat at the moment: Switching around usage of native code, mashing everything into one huuuge array and removing (as we know / define it) the loader.

    What has been learned recently (and when I say recently, I mean over the last year or two) has to be completely thrown to a side and only used for assisting in what must be redone now as far as I'm concerned.
    So Rsbuddy claiming to be back tomorrow, or on Monday is a bluff right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingarabian View Post
    So Rsbuddy claiming to be back tomorrow, or on Monday is a bluff right?
    From what I've seen so far, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowie` View Post
    From what I've seen so far, yes.
    Interesting, thanks for your input!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingarabian View Post
    So Rsbuddy claiming to be back tomorrow, or on Monday is a bluff right?
    They have an "update" countdown timer in the top right corner of their site. It's set for about 3 days and 14 hours from now. We'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent SPY View Post
    They have an "update" countdown timer in the top right corner of their site. It's set for about 3 days and 14 hours from now. We'll see.
    I think its to let people know the site will be down for a time while they update their server.

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    great thread. i got a comment and a suggestion:
    comment: i have never used unsigned clients when botting. i have always botted signed. why? cuz it loads faster, and remembers cache. (ok maybe 1/1000 times il load unsigned)
    and ive never been banned. and i bot hard. its not on an army. mostly on 1 acc for like 8-18 hrs a day. minimal breaks if any.

    i rather doubt jagex will use java to monitor the systems of its customers. some heavy privacy law issues. even if they were to, i dont think they can do it unless it says so in their TOS or they will have to update their TOS and have us accept. (someone confirm this as i think im right but not 100% sure).

    apart from that...my suggestion:

    can you add to this threads OP the changes that jagex made to the game client. i belive ive seen marpis' post on the changes but i was unsure if he was speculating or quoting, so could you make like 2 lists saying confirmed (with source) and speculation (by whom - as in trusted such as wizz or marpis).

    thanks.

    oh also, as far as color scripts go, werent all randoms based on ref? as in when we had ref did we even bother updating random fixes for colors?

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    Unfortunately in Jagex's ToS, they state they withhold the right to update/alter/modify the ToS at any time without notification (They have done this in the past).

    Quote Originally Posted by RS ToS
    We may change these terms and conditions to reflect: changes in applicable laws; regulatory or security requirements; relevant guidance or codes of practice; technical alterations to Jagex Products; and to improve clarity and consistency. Please check the terms and conditions whenever you use a Jagex Product. If you are not a subscriber, we will treat your continued use of a Jagex Product as acceptance of these changes from their effective date as shown above. If you are a subscriber, we will treat you as bound by the changes on the first renewal date for your subscription after the effective date and so you should cancel your subscription (as explained below) before this renewal date if you don't like the proposed changes.
    So they've changed the wording a little bit, but they are basically saying if you're not a member by loading our applet you accept our ToS. If you are a member, the fact that you are a member means you accept the ToS.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RS Privacy Policy
    We may change this policy at any time. Please check it whenever you return to the site. We will treat your continued use of our websites as acceptance of these changes from their effective date as shown above.
    So again, they can change it at any time without notifying us.

    Quote Originally Posted by RS Privacy Policy
    We use cookies, collect and store IP-addresses, alphanumeric IDs and other unique identifiers in order to identify specific computers that access our websites. We identify and store the versions of Java and .NET (if any) on your computer along with your browser and operating system, and details of your device's hardware and software specifications.
    Note that the scope of information they are collecting that could fall under "[...]details of your device's [...] software specifications." it isn't defined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbit View Post

    Note that the scope of information they are collecting that could fall under "[...]details of your device's [...] software specifications." it isn't defined.
    well thats not good. but im wondering if this kinda falls into a scenario where its like your having a contract to do illegal things...err what i mean is ...:

    is it ok for jagex to simply say by visiting our website u agree we can invade ur privacy?

    i mean isnt that like holding a gun t someones head and forcing them to sign a contract? err ofc one can argue that no ones forcing us to play rs, but what im saying is shouldn't they be restricted?? i suppose its country to country basis on laws. or would we have to abide by the laws of the countries in which the servers reside?

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    Scanning your computer and harvesting information which they then store would indeed be against privacy laws. Scanning your computer (per terms of a ToS/Priv Policy) for adjacent processes flagged at "bots" but storing no personal information would be well within law.

    I believe WoW does this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbit View Post
    Scanning your computer and harvesting information which they then store would indeed be against privacy laws. Scanning your computer (per terms of a ToS/Priv Policy) for adjacent processes flagged at "bots" but storing no personal information would be well within law.

    I believe WoW does this?
    I heard the same, Blizzard apparently did/does this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbit View Post
    Scanning your computer and harvesting information which they then store would indeed be against privacy laws. Scanning your computer (per terms of a ToS/Priv Policy) for adjacent processes flagged at "bots" but storing no personal information would be well within law.

    I believe WoW does this?
    wouldn't it be a simple matter to alter the name or signature of such software? similar to the concept that rs updates hooks could we not have our bots change process name? split processes?(idk if that's even possible) or have a firewall limit the data java can receive/send? protocols and ports etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbit View Post
    Scanning your computer and harvesting information which they then store would indeed be against privacy laws. Scanning your computer (per terms of a ToS/Priv Policy) for adjacent processes flagged at "bots" but storing no personal information would be well within law.

    I believe WoW does this?
    They do, but it sure as hell doesn't give them an edge over botters. Botting is still a major problem there as well (BG bots and grinding bots).

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    Quote Originally Posted by chitin View Post
    wouldn't it be a simple matter to alter the name or signature of such software? similar to the concept that rs updates hooks could we not have our bots change process name? split processes?(idk if that's even possible) or have a firewall limit the data java can receive/send? protocols and ports etc
    Only problem is, what stops them from coming here and looking what we've changed the name too(nothing). I know Ben mentioned earlier about possibly modifying SMART to sandbox the runescape runtime and trick it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbit View Post
    I know Ben mentioned earlier about possibly modifying SMART to sandbox the runescape runtime and trick it.
    This would be nice. Meanwhile I'm going to play around with running RS inside a VM and Simba out on the host. It will still be able to detect it is running inside a VM, but that is not proof you are botting.
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