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    I love to take Creationism Class for an easy A.
    1. Everything was created 6000 years ago
    2. God created everything, the "God of Gaps"
    3. No explanation what so ever, all final answer is "Faith"

    Class over final exam in 2 mins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yago View Post
    How do you know that no one knows?
    You are not making any point by replying to a argument like this.
    I could ask you the same, how do you know that someone knows?
    The problem with your question is that there is no answer, and this is precisely why you ask it.

    What I meant is that there is no clear consensus on the nature of God, including if it really exist. It's impossible to prove that God exist OR that it doesn't exist. The only way to prove the existance of God is if it reveal itself in a way that can be mesured scientificaly instead of playing hide n seek on a cosmic scale.

    Anyway I'm done here I don't really like getting in big arguments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shanghai88 View Post
    I love to take Creationism Class for an easy A.
    1. Everything was created 6000 years ago
    2. God created everything, the "God of Gaps"
    3. No explanation what so ever, all final answer is "Faith"

    Class over final exam in 2 mins.
    I'd say it takes more faith to believe in evolution than Intelligent Design. I choose to not take either side because of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sir eska eau View Post
    You are not making any point by replying to a argument like this.
    I could ask you the same, how do you know that someone knows?
    The problem with your question is that there is no answer, and this is precisely why you ask it.

    What I meant is that there is no clear consensus on the nature of God, including if it really exist. It's impossible to prove that God exist OR that it doesn't exist. The only way to prove the existance of God is if it reveal itself in a way that can be mesured scientificaly instead of playing hide n seek on a cosmic scale.

    Anyway I'm done here I don't really like getting in big arguments.
    Wait, I'm confused, are you saying that the only way you can know if God exists is if you prove him scientifically (through experiments or something)? Or are you saying that the only way you can know anything at all is by proving it scientifically?
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    Quote Originally Posted by josh81193 View Post
    I'd say it takes more faith to believe in evolution than Intelligent Design. I choose to not take either side because of this.
    It depends on one's analytical Cognitive Logical abilities and critical thinking based on evidence. On the other hand, all you need is a leap of Faith and fill all the Gaps with God.. much easier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shanghai88 View Post
    It depends on one's analytical Cognitive Logical abilities and critical thinking based on evidence. On the other hand, all you need is a leap of Faith and fill all the Gaps with God.. much easier.
    Let me ask you, what is evidence of anything? For example, something simple like gravity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yago View Post
    Let me ask you, what is evidence of anything? For example, something simple like gravity?
    Just like I said, it's much easier to fill in that gap with one word "GOD"


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    Quote Originally Posted by shanghai88 View Post
    Just like I said, it's much easier to fill in that gap with one word "GOD"

    So you believe in God? Or my question is left unanswered?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yago View Post
    So you believe in God? Or my question is left unanswered?
    One's faith in God is irreverent to the answer you seek, your question will remain unanswered for a long long time. Besides, the answer will only create more questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shanghai88 View Post
    One's faith in God is irreverent to the answer you seek, your question will remain unanswered for a long long time. Besides, the answer will only create more questions.
    Its a simple question: What do you believe constitutes as evidence of anything? For example, something simple like gravity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yago View Post
    Its a simple question: What do you believe constitutes as evidence of anything? For example, something simple like gravity?
    The proof of function in gravity could consider simple once is answered after a life time of research with passage of time. We simply know it exists yet it's still a gap in human knowledge of "how". Not so long ago people begged the question of why there is a night and a day, was it really Hemera and Nyx? The simple answer to that question only created more questions like to the ones you are asking. If people just settle for "god of gaps" to every unexplained (yet) than we will never have a better tomorrow, instead we burn witches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shanghai88 View Post
    The proof of function in gravity could consider simple once is answered after a life time of research with passage of time. We simply know it exists yet it's still a gap in human knowledge of "how". Not so long ago people begged the question of why there is a night and a day, was it really Hemera and Nyx? The simple answer to that question only created more questions like to the ones you are asking. If people just settle for "god of gaps" to every unexplained (yet) than we will never have a better tomorrow, instead we burn witches.
    So you ask me we just shouldn't ask questions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yago View Post
    lol funny.
    Well, if all we are is "matter in motion" then how do you explain society's structures and concepts such as morals? If all humans do is interpret things through our senses and react based on chemicals in our brain, then we don't have free will. We are forcefully controlled by these chemicals and nature. How can you explain people's ethics and morals?
    How come you think of ethnics as something outside of your brain?

    I don't think of ethnics and morals as elementary particles if that's what you think

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyt3x View Post
    How come you think of ethnics as something outside of your brain?

    I don't think of ethnics and morals as elementary particles if that's what you think
    Then what do you think of them? How do people decide what is right and wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yago View Post
    So you ask me we just shouldn't ask questions?

    You are asking a question which you already decided how it should be answered, so what's the point of answering a question that you know can't be answered (Yet), just to strengthening your own conviction?

    Questions should always be asked if you are honestly seeking the true answer, but sometimes the truth could take generations to answer. For now fill in the Gaps with God if it comforts you, please respect the fact that "God of Gaps" is just not enough to answer the unknown for other people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shanghai88 View Post
    You are asking a question which you already decided how it should be answered, so what's the point of answering a question that you know can't be answered (Yet), just to strengthening your own conviction?

    Questions should always be asked if you are honestly seeking the true answer, but sometimes the truth could take generations to answer. For now fill in the Gaps with God if it comforts you, please respect the fact that "God of Gaps" is just not enough to answer the unknown for other people.
    I asked you for your personal opinion of: What do you believe constitutes as evidence of anything?

    How does that strengthen my convictions?

    But ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yago View Post
    Then what do you think of them? How do people decide what is right and wrong?
    Just like most predators today don't cannibalize their own species or eat their young, why? survival as a whole.

    "right or wrong" is a human concept which we invented to keep order to ensure survival of our own species. A method to avoid destructive cause and effect chain reactions that would eventually lead to extinction. We acquired the concept of "right and wrong" through experiences of humanity as a species, and for some, enforced it with "God".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yago View Post
    Then what do you think of them? How do people decide what is right and wrong?
    By using their brain? The human brain uses i.e defense mechanisms like regression "to cope with reality and to maintain self-image." (coping with what is right/wrong). You should read some more about the psychoanalytic theory, it's a very interesting topic and covers this exact topic that we're talking about (human brain and ethnics and stuff like that).

    I don't think you understand what the human brain is made of, if you think of ethnics and morals as a separate entity that we humans hold.. The human brain is basically just a bunch of nerves and stuff that send electric impulses to other nerves and stuff that sends other electric impulses to other nerves and stuff and so on and so on.. Sort of like a CPU, just bigger and organic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yago View Post
    Its a simple question: What do you believe constitutes as evidence of anything? For example, something simple like gravity?
    I've already answered your question by implying opinions aren't evidence. Therefore my Opinion is Irrelevant.

    Evidence in its broadest sense includes everything that is used to determine or demonstrate the truth of an assertion. Giving or procuring evidence is the process of using those things that are either (a) presumed to be true, or (b) were themselves proven via evidence, to demonstrate an assertion's truth. Evidence is the currency by which one fulfills the burden of proof.

    Many issues surround evidence, making it the subject of much discussion and disagreement. In addition to its subtlety, evidence plays an important role in many academic disciplines, including science and law, adding to the discourse surrounding it.

    An important distinction in the field of evidence is that some circumstantial evidence and direct evidence, or evidence that suggests truth as opposed to evidence that directly proves truth. Many have seen this line to be less-than-clear and significant arguments have arisen over the difference.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyt3x View Post
    By using their brain? The human brain uses i.e defense mechanisms like regression "to cope with reality and to maintain self-image." (coping with what is right/wrong). You should read some more about the psychoanalytic theory, it's a very interesting topic and covers this exact topic that we're talking about (human brain and ethnics and stuff like that).
    Thats basically saying that people learn what is right/wrong from their experiences(defense mechanisms). However, in the end, you find yourself with moral values that differ from person to person. Lets say that "someone copes with reality" by murder. Is this right? They believe its right...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yago View Post
    Thats basically saying that people learn what is right/wrong from their experiences(defense mechanisms). However, in the end, you find yourself with moral values that differ from person to person. Lets say that "someone copes with reality" by murder. Is this right? They believe its right...
    If they murder someone and think it's the right thing to do, then they're insane, my friend.

    Also, you do learn from your experiences. How else are you going to learn? Do you think knowledge magically flies from the world of knowledge and into your brain or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyt3x View Post
    If they murder someone and think it's the right thing to do, then they're insane, my friend.

    Also, you do learn from your experiences. How else are you going to learn? Do you think knowledge magically flies from the world of knowledge and into your brain or something?
    They are insane according to what moral standards?
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    You can't "prove" gravity, its a law. It was observed and that is the name we gave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yago View Post
    They are insane according to what moral standards?
    "Moral standard" is set by the general consensuses of the public, which is driven by human experiences acquired through passage of time. The standard is set to ensure survival of the human spices as a whole, our basic primal instincts of survival is at the root of our "moral standard".

    In your above example of Murdering, if it's a common accepted behavior, you will create chaos among our species. After a series of negative chain reactions, humans will eventually become extinct.

    Religion is often used as an "enforcer" based on consequential positive and negative reinforcement (i.e. Heaven & Hell), nothing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shanghai88 View Post
    "Moral standard" is set by the general consensuses of the public, which is driven by human experiences acquired through passage of time. The standard is set to ensure survival of the human spices as a whole, our basic primal instincts of survival is at the root of our "moral standard".

    In your above example of Murdering, if it's a common accepted behavior, you will create chaos among our species. After a series of negative chain reactions, humans will eventually become extinct.
    Your telling me that during World War 2, the Holocaust was morally acceptable and that Hitler was a good man, because it was the general consensus of the Germans to kill those they deemed not part of the "master race."
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