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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    You do raise interesting points. You could say you are "botting" as a verb, and that would be accurate, I suppose. However, that does not make Simba/scripts (noun) become "bots". Their state has not changed.
    I make no pretense at being a history officianado when it comes to RS and the various tools used over the years to automate a players actions - and thus free them from it's drudgery.

    There seems to be no doubt though that calling Simba scripts that automate a players actions a bot causes offense. I would really like to understand why. Is it the forum that people feel the need to defend or Simba or both.

    Perhaps it is also that the term 'bot' has become synonymous with everything that is bad about the MMORPG industry and that people automatically engage in sabre rattling at the slightest provocation to distance themselves from it - perhaps even more so now that RS owners have taken the steps they have in order to ensure a fair playing field to all - but more probably to safeguard their business going forward. After all - they have probably invested a great deal into this.

    Just a few thoughts, that's all ...

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    Well Simba, and mostly scar, took a very long time to set up in the past. A long time being somewhere between 5 - 45 mins to get a script running.

    A person would have to download scar, install, download SRL, search the forums for a script they'd like to use, download that, read up on how to set up a script, declare their players, point the client to runescape and finally watch the script go.

    Nowadays? Download Simba, Enable extensions (and we're talking of automatically enabling them), hit MSI -> Run, form pops up, and you're good to go. It acts in the background. No necessary downloading of scripts. There's a script manager coming out.

    So...? While each separate component cannot be called a bot, the ensemble is everyday coming closer to acting just like one. Perhaps in the eye of a programmer it will never be called a bot. In the eye of the new user, it works pretty much like RsBot or KBot or iNexus used to work, so why wouldn't they call it the same, when at their end it acts the same?

    After all, it was us who made it more leecher friendly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir R. M8gic1an View Post
    After all, it was us who made it more leecher friendly -RM
    Ah yes. Making it more user friendly has taken it out of the realm of the expert / informed and right onto the doorstep of everyone who just wants ...

    But you did that through an orchestrated concerted effort which advanced all of your learning quite nicely!!

    So it comes back to the intent and how you use it I guess - the leecher would call it a bot because generally they have no interest in the internals - just that it works. These are the same people with few posts that bounce all around the forum asking for it to be fixed.

    The fundi on the other hand loves everything about it and also knows how it works and enjoys the challenge of writing the scripts themselves - which still take a fair amount of time to perfect.

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    zyt3x, I think a lot of us are feeling this

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    i got respect for your English/grammar/vocabulary, but you abuse "-" and should use more commas. :P

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    Thumbs up Chuckle ...

    Quote Originally Posted by footballjds View Post
    @NickMystre
    i got respect for your English/grammar/vocabulary, but you abuse "-" and should use more commas. :P
    I appreciate the feedback / critique. Duly noted ...

    I also like '/' as well. Perhaps I should change my nick to Nick-Mystre ?

    What do you think, footballjds ?

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    I think some Simba scripts could be called "bots" if they were executable. (If they automate human tasks)
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    You are arguing semantics. To the end user it looks like a bot, smells like a bot, as far as they are concerned it is a bot.

    Whether it is or is not in fact a bot becomes irrelevant at that point. Perception defines reality. And the perception is..."It's a bot." Suck it up Princess.
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    Default To be or not to be an end-user ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bixby Sayz View Post
    You are arguing semantics. To the end user it looks like a bot, smells like a bot, as far as they are concerned it is a bot.

    Whether it is or is not in fact a bot becomes irrelevant at that point. Perception defines reality. And the perception is..."It's a bot." Suck it up Princess.
    You get end users and then you get end users. Which one are you ?

    On a slightly less quizzical note though...

    For those who couldn't care less about the insides - yes, it's a bot. The question is, for which of you regular Villavu forum users, is it a bot and for which of you is it a script ? I will wager that you don't care one way or the other. Or as Bixby Sayz: Semantics - that's all it is.

    Personally - when I want it to do repetitive tasks until I tell it otherwise - it's a bot. When I am developing for Simba either from scratch or fine-tuning a masterpiece - then it's a script. For me - it's all in the intent. Bot and Script co-exist - morphing from one to the other seemlessly and mostly un-noticed - until dudes like me come along and stir up the pot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickMystre View Post
    I appreciate the feedback / critique. Duly noted ...

    I also like '/' as well. Perhaps I should change my nick to Nick-Mystre ?

    What do you think, footballjds ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickMystre View Post
    You get end users and then you get end users. Which one are you ?
    Not sure I get your question. I have contributed fixes/updates to SRL, release the occasional script (rare admittedly), and try to contribute in a positive way to the forums.

    I could not possibly care less if people call it a bot or they don't. If that is your biggest concern in life you have issues you need to deal with.
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    I believe it was a facetious remark about how your position in the community / your scripting knowledge can alter or completely change how you see some things. Especially regarding what this whole thread is about.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bixby Sayz View Post
    Not sure I get your question. I have contributed fixes/updates to SRL, release the occasional script (rare admittedly), and try to contribute in a positive way to the forums.

    I could not possibly care less if people call it a bot or they don't. If that is your biggest concern in life you have issues you need to deal with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RISK View Post
    I believe it was a facetious remark about how your position in the community / your scripting knowledge can alter or completely change how you see some things. Especially regarding what this whole thread is about.
    I am pleased that you understood what I was saying. I'm not sure how what I said was misconstrued - but it was. I guess that is always a possibility with so many different people around. I have tried to mend things - but this too can sometime backfire.

    Thanks again.

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    You probably should read up on the edit button you're killing me man with the double post....

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    You have plenty of time to mend anything you may have done. But I don't think anyone has taken offense or anything like that to anything you've said thus far.

    By the way, I suggest you post in just one post instead of triple posting. You'll get in trouble with the staff.

    E: BraK beat me to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by NickMystre View Post
    I am pleased that you understood what I was saying. I'm not sure how what I said was misconstrued - but it was. I guess that is always a possibility with so many different people around. I have tried to mend things - but this too can sometime backfire.

    Thanks again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BraK View Post
    You probably should read up on the edit button you're killing me man with the double post....
    OK, no problem. Is there a post/tut on the EDIT button. How do I use it ?

    E: So each time I add to a post I just use the EDIT button. How do you keep things separate ?

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    Press "Edit" on the bottom left of your post. -> Make the edit(s) on your post that you desire. -> Hit "Save" on the bottom right of the editing panel.

    Quote Originally Posted by NickMystre View Post
    OK, no problem. Is there a post/tut on the EDIT button. How do I use it ?

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    if you edit your post you can add a E: to show where you edited it.

    E: Like this

    E2: if you edit it more than once.

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    Exactly how I feel Zyt3x. Exactly how Coh3n feels as well.
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    Ok from start to beginning, what constitutes of a bot? I define it as a program which automates certain actions at RuneScape. We'll take a look at all the necessary parts.

    First we look at Simba itself. It looks like an IDE with a integrated interpreter. Is that a bot? Not really.
    Then we look at SRL: It just provides some functions, like movemouse and solve randoms. Is that a bot? Not really. It does nothing on its own.
    SMART: it just loads the runescape client and passes pixels. Heck, it's not even necessary to use, we have used SCAR for the first 5 years of RS2 without it, we still don't need it. So is SMART a bot? It's not a necessary component to auto, so no.
    The scripts: they just call some functions in SRL and Simba. They are quite intelligent but usually they do only one task. Besides they can't run on their own. Are scripts a bot? No.

    The whole package, from beginning to end, might be called a bot. The individual parts sure aren't. And that's what has always set us apart compared to other 'bots', like Nexus, RSBot and RSBuddy: they offer one tightly integrated package. We don't, all the individual parts are clearly visible. There is nothing that you can call a "bot" at this website because there is simply no such thing.

    Calling Simba/SRL a bot is like calling a guitar just a thing that makes sound. You might be correct, but you miss all the sexiness it has.

    Also look, I put some things apart here
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markus View Post
    Ok from start to beginning, what constitutes of a bot? I define it as a program which automates certain actions at RuneScape. We'll take a look at all the necessary parts.

    First we look at Simba itself. It looks like an IDE with a integrated interpreter. Is that a bot? Not really.
    Then we look at SRL: It just provides some functions, like movemouse and solve randoms. Is that a bot? Not really. It does nothing on its own.
    SMART: it just loads the runescape client and passes pixels. Heck, it's not even necessary to use, we have used SCAR for the first 5 years of RS2 without it, we still don't need it. So is SMART a bot? It's not a necessary component to auto, so no.
    The scripts: they just call some functions in SRL and Simba. They are quite intelligent but usually they do only one task. Besides they can't run on their own. Are scripts a bot? No.

    The whole package, from beginning to end, might be called a bot. The individual parts sure aren't. And that's what has always set us apart compared to other 'bots', like Nexus, RSBot and RSBuddy: they offer one tightly integrated package. We don't, all the individual parts are clearly visible. There is nothing that you can call a "bot" at this website because there is simply no such thing.

    Calling Simba/SRL a bot is like calling a guitar just a thing that makes sound. You might be correct, but you miss all the sexiness it has.

    Also look, I put some things apart here
    wow that's one smexy explanation <3 Have I repped you lately

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    This... Please noobies, read the OP!
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    It's annoying seeing all the threads that are created called "bot isn't working! help!" when all they have to do is search...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markus View Post
    Ok from start to beginning, what constitutes of a bot? I define it as a program which automates certain actions at RuneScape. We'll take a look at all the necessary parts.

    First we look at Simba itself. It looks like an IDE with a integrated interpreter. Is that a bot? Not really.
    Then we look at SRL: It just provides some functions, like movemouse and solve randoms. Is that a bot? Not really. It does nothing on its own.
    SMART: it just loads the runescape client and passes pixels. Heck, it's not even necessary to use, we have used SCAR for the first 5 years of RS2 without it, we still don't need it. So is SMART a bot? It's not a necessary component to auto, so no.
    The scripts: they just call some functions in SRL and Simba. They are quite intelligent but usually they do only one task. Besides they can't run on their own. Are scripts a bot? No.

    The whole package, from beginning to end, might be called a bot. The individual parts sure aren't. And that's what has always set us apart compared to other 'bots', like Nexus, RSBot and RSBuddy: they offer one tightly integrated package. We don't, all the individual parts are clearly visible. There is nothing that you can call a "bot" at this website because there is simply no such thing.

    Calling Simba/SRL a bot is like calling a guitar just a thing that makes sound. You might be correct, but you miss all the sexiness it has.

    Also look, I put some things apart here

    @Markus: The way you have laid out your position is great - and it certainly leaves anything I said choking on your dust. Thank you :-)

    @BraK: You are so right very smexy indeed.

    @All: My apologies if I ruffled some feathers - this was certainly not my aim.

    Perhaps this is enough on this one for now.

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    And you call my thread stupid? =.=

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeiJaiVui View Post
    And you call my thread stupid? =.=
    This thread is pretty important it explains the functions of SRL and what the older members feel/ along with what some newer members feel towards the surge in new members.




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