I agree totally agree that the majority of you probably evolved from apes. Me on the other hand, 100% human being (with no ape).
I agree totally agree that the majority of you probably evolved from apes. Me on the other hand, 100% human being (with no ape).
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Let's move this from does god exist to what characteristics of those who do and don't think he exists. So far, all the snide comments like this have come from those siding with god. I'm not saying if you believe in god you're an ass, but the message for the most part is to be a good person. Most people I've met that I would consider poor excuses for a human being have been religious fanatics, and I've met some very well rounded Athiests. If you're going to exclaim your belief in god and defend it as such, at least act like it. Being an ass is not acting like it. Being ass shows that there are people who don't believe in god that are better christians (I'm assuming you're christian) than you even though they're not trying to be. It's people like you that ruin organized religion and make it the limiting factor it is. My apologies if this is considered too harsh. "Christians call it faith, I call it the herd" - Nietszche.

Camo I like your big post. Wanted to rep you to say it privately, but popup didn't come up.
I sure won't go deeper now, or try to prove anything, either you put your head into sand or already thinking the same(ish) way.
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I can't tell if you're serious or not..
For one, money and mickey mouse/ronald mcdonald are quite different from each other. On top of that, a deity and money are quite different, as well. Money itself (a legal tender, a coin/piece of paper with some engraving/ink on it) does exist, as you can touch it, see it, blah blah blah. I can open my wallet and touch money. The thing that has some relation (except for not really) between money and god is the value of money, which is an arbitrary number that we make up, is nothing more than a number we put on it. That still says nothing about your claim that a god exists because people think of it.
That's nonsense.
The idea of a god, does exist, but that does not mean that a god itself exists.
God cannot be proven, but neither can science.
Why not call this thread: "Do you think god exists?"?
God is what we make of it, whether it exists or not.
Let's just stop arguing, we all know it will end up in flaming as nobody provides valid reasons. In fact, nobody can. If I believe in god? It doesn't even matter.
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That's exactly what he's saying... Zytex isn't using that argument to prove that there is a supernatural God, he's just saying that he have a definition and word for such a being and you can't argue against it. If he was to prove his point, his references would consist of Merriam-Webster, dictionary.com, wikipedia, almost every holy book that existed, and the fact that your post has the word 'God' in it.
Basically, it's redundant.
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Not really, money is given its value from human belief in its value, the thing you touch is just a physical representation of it. Just as you could create churches, synagogues, mosques, etc or holy water or statues of god representing him/her/it. without the belief in the value of money your papers and metal scraps wouldn't be much use... even if god as a being doesn't exist, the belief of the existence of god more or less creates god since it starts affecting the actions of huge amounts of people.
It only creates a feeling of solidarity. It doesn't create an almighty being that can perform miracles, is all knowing. The problem is that people act based on (this) their solidarity (which isn't really weird). And this is constantly abused, both in politics and every day life. They're constantly lobbying against anyone who doesn't agree with them, about anti-conception, being gay, etc. As much as their imaginary ``friend'' or book tells them to be kind to everyone - it's having quite the opposite effect. Marx nailed it - religion is the opium of the people.
Every powerful leader in history was either agnostic or atheistic and simply (ab)used religion for their own good because it would give him a huge amount of blind followers.
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I think your initial statement is somewhat contradicting itself.
First of all, by your logic "If a lot of people imagine there being a god, there IS a God"
That could work on Santa, and the Easter bunny as well. If you on the other hand would have asked the question "Does God exist, except in the human imagination?"
See that would have been a good question.
And just for the giggles
This picture is claimed to be "Adam and Eve"
How do they both have belly buttons if they're the first people to ever live?
The bellybutton is a scar created by childbirth.
Unless you are trying to say that the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls validate everything in the Bible, I'm not sure why you are bringing it up.
You missed the point.
Prior to the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Bible was considered to be infallible by followers.
Now that the Dead Sea Scrolls have been found, and it's been shown that parts of the Bible can be lost or misplaced, you still consider the Bible to be infallible.
To put it more simply: Bible is 100% true, ordained word of God -> Dead Sea Scrolls are discovered, turns out the Bible didn't tell the whole story -> Bible is still 100% true, ordained word of God.
They do validate the Bible, in the sense that it's not mis-translated or reworded, beyond being limited by definitions while translating. (Which is why most Jews learn to read in Hebrew.)
I understand what you're saying now, and it probably makes sense to a lot of other people too. But people that believe in God of the Bible believe that the Bible 100% perfect and the way that God wants it to be. You'll reassure people that don't believe in the Bible, but you'll never convince someone that does believe in it.
As far as the Dead Sea Scrolls showing that parts of the Bible can be lost or misplaced, there's already documented events during the medieval times (from early Roman Catholic rule to King James) where there were councils and agreements in removing (what they thought) were unnecessary books of the Bible. Again if you believe Bible is true and God is divine, then you will believe that every version of the Bible is divinely inspired therefore true.
The Dead Sea Scrolls are meant to prove the Bible's accuracy.
(I'm not a Christian or Religious in any way, but no one else seems to be able to be able to hold up the argument for the other side, and God knows the die-hard atheists won't bring it up.)
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What? No, that's not what I mean. I don't know if God exists as a form of matter, and I don't believe it/he/she/whatever (god) does exist. I can't know for sure, but I can't entirely disprove it, at least not yet.
I still think your claims are ridiculous, and I hope I'm misunderstanding. You don't seem to point out that I'm misinterpreting you, however, and so I must assume you actually believe your claims.
"How do they have belly buttons.." Waw.. are u kidding me? The bible states that they are the spitting image of God.. It never stated that Adam and Eve were the first humans.. they were just the first in the Garden.. God said "For I have chosen you".. He did not say they are the only ones created.. Oh not to mention that some ARTIST painted that long after the bible..not during the time of the creation of the bible.. that's an artists depiction of what they feel adam and eve looks like..
As for all you God haters.. I bet ur girls or friends look like this:
Tbh.. I prefer to look at jesus than piece of shit above.. you guys aren't even arguing anymore your just clearly bashing religion with ur shitty pictures..
As for "Theories are based off facts." Buddy.. in what world do u live in where you know for sure that something is a fact and theories develop from that.. Cuz clearly you have no clue what the hell your talking about.. just bud out the conversation.. trying to look all smart.
Not a single one of you athiests or non believers responded as to why you say "Oh God" when some shit happens to you..
@ Harry "Science CAN be proven. Just the particular theory isn't considered fully proven as of yet." Give me proof.. I guarantee you can't.. why? because your proof will be based off of someone else's theory that was developed before that proof.
"The idea of a god, does exist, but that does not mean that a god itself exists." Doesn't mean he doesn't exist either.. As far as I know, none of you exist and you can't prove to me that you do..
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