Don't script to prove that Simba is better - script because you love scripting and have met some great people here at Villavu.
There will be no winner here. Those who like RID will always vote RID and those who support Simba will vote Simba.
Don't script to prove that Simba is better - script because you love scripting and have met some great people here at Villavu.
There will be no winner here. Those who like RID will always vote RID and those who support Simba will vote Simba.
Ciao
NM
Yeah but how? Do you even know? How come you absolutely refuse to give reasons to back up the statement: "RiD is less detectable than Simba"? Why do you keep avoiding this question?Originally Posted by Trent!
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Of course the ban rate would be lower, not everyone is using the same 13 scripts that have been worked on for years.
At srl we have A LOT more scripts, some of these scripts are YES written by people brand new to scripting; of course their script will have a .01 higher ban rate than someone like flights.
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I've used the RiD Free Miner bot, and i tell you the Powerminers from the "First Scripts" section are better. MSI? owns. Other legit Poweminers i'm sure too.
RiD is seen better, because you gotta pay for credits/hour.. it's kinda like Mac and Windows i guess (ooh i'm making comparisons..nice) But with the limited scripts and no new scripts out.. it's not the same.
As for powerbot (not so much about the topic title) i see it coming once they get enough money to assure them not being broke if any legal cases come to them or whatever, hell.. once it's out all its haters and stuff "non-believers" or whatever you want to call them will use powerbot.. i'm sure many of us, eh?
Good luck with the script making, hopefully i'll be able to test some![]()
even me everyone know im the noobest ! i can create a script on less time lol !!
You say Close to none. RiD is 0 following Guidelines, which is as undetectable as is possible, seeing as breaking them proves that it's not a person. The Guidelines is what being a human actually is, and it replicates human behavior, patterns, etc. Yes, you can do the same thing with Simba. I've never said 'RiD is soooo much better than Simba.' Simba itself is a great botting platform with an easy to learn language and an active community. I am not comparing the platforms, I am comparing the programming experience and skill of the script writers. Yes, as I've said, there are members of this community who can replicate what RiD does, and some who can probably code faster than RiD, however, most of these people are hired privately. You need the AI for real-time decisions, which you can do with Simba. You need the replication of human--not human-like, but human mouse movements, which you can do with Simba, however it's an very advanced programming technique. RiD invented his form of mouse movements using the Robot class. If you search up for some videos of RiD's thieving guild bot, you can see some of the examples of what I mean. You also all the other things I mentioned in my above posts.
Yes, the ban rates are low for Simba, but there is a ban rate. RiD does not have a ban rate. The majority of their bots have never even had a ban, despite some being out for over a year, even with users botting 15-20 hours a day. The Ivy Cutter, Thieving, Crafter, RiDiverse, Fishing, Agility, and Construction bots have never had a ban, even out of the Guideline breakers. Feel free to check the threads for 99 threads, as there is a fair number.
Again, I know many users have received 99's with Simba. About how many users on Simba would you say have botted ~16 99's on a single account with Simba, without a single offense?
EDIT: To go deeper into detectability: Jagex has a detection system. They also have manual inspection methods as well. A well programmed bot can easily maneuver around most of Jagex's basic detection systems. However, it gets more complex from there. Any bot that is just straight up scripted, rather than using AI, is detectable through automated means, and very quickly noticeable among manual inspection. Let's say you have AI, and really good anti-ban methods. Then it goes to Mouse Movements. Jagex can easily find the x,y coordinate of your mouse at any time that it is on the applet, meaning it wouldn't be difficult to make an algorithm that would calculate the equations of the line, velocity, acceleration, etc. This means with enough inspection (usually weeks or months of use, seeing as the more variety of ranges of randomness to them, the longer it takes to find a pattern that matches bot behavior). You require movements that mimic human behavior. I've seen my bot drunk, on ritalin, sleepy, curious, and high. It can do things such as adjust the grip on the mouse, or use advanced maths to find and click objects in ways that true humans do. The next time you play RS legit, watch how you move the mouse. Does your bot really move the mouse that way? So let's say you have mousemovements too, then it goes to the Unique Styles. Each bot has a billion possible unique playing styles for how your bot behaves and moves the mose, talks, etc. This means that every bot behaves differently, and even if Jagex ran RiD's bots for 10,000 hours, their bot would behave completely different than someone else using RiD. Now let's say you have that too, then the last thing, Autotalker: More of a fun feature with RiD, seeing as it's only real purpose would be to talk to J Mods, seeing as even if you get reported while using RiD, there is no risk to the account. You can't trick it into saying anythng, and you'll never be able to predict it's response. This means that Jagex can't trick the bot into saying things that would prove it's a bot.
Again, all of that is possible with Simba, however, as far as I've seen, no one publicly has anything like it besides RiD.
Last edited by Trent!; 02-08-2012 at 04:29 AM.
You say the script is up to the creator, correct? Well, the same thing goes to RiD. He has to create all the scripts himself, and honestly, I don't find them that good. What makes him a "superior" programmer/scripter than what we have here at SRL?
There are many people who have gotten multiple 99's from Simba alone (With out any offenses), how can you say that RiD is the only one capable of doing that?
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SRL is a Library of routines made by the SRL community written for the Program Simba. We produce Scripts for the game Runescape.
I say again - this debate is a waste of time. RID is RID and Simba is Simba. Neither party will ever give ground to any argument. And besides - why do you feel Simba needs defending. Simba stands by itself, as does RID.
If Trent!s' motivation is to irritate and rile, I'd say he is succeeding. And you Simba chaps are taking the bait. Let it go.
Whether Simba is better, worse or the same is irrelevant - what is important is that there is a thriving, growing community for whom scripting is common ground. And that, too me is all that counts.
Trent! is welcome to stay or go - but stop falling for his bait!
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I edited my above post to add in more details what separates the two. As I said, you CAN make a Simba bot that is as undetectable as RiD, it's just that most of the script-writers here don't release bots of that quality.
Again, I don't mean any disrespect. I have a great admiration for the Simba community, and I do plan to test out some of the bots here.
Also, we have multiple users who have botted ~16 99's with RiD on a single account. We have users who have botted over 9,000 hours. Users who have botted over 5,000 hours on a single account, even users achieving 200mil experience in some RiD skills. I've rarely heard of similar stories with Simba
Last edited by Trent!; 02-08-2012 at 04:35 AM.
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SRL is a Library of routines made by the SRL community written for the Program Simba. We produce Scripts for the game Runescape.
Publicly is a key word here. Scripters here don't have to show off their amazing scripts. They keep them private or in SRL Members. I mean props to the guy who made RID if he wants to make money off a couple decent scripts. Just don't come in here saying that Simba can do everything RID can do, but the scripters don't have the talent. There is much more to SRL than what you can see
As for number of lines, I could easily write a script that uses tens of thousands of lines to accomplish absolutely nothing. Lines of code mean absolutely nothing.
I think your knowledge about 'detectability' is all wrong.
Jagex sucks at detecting us.
Tons of scripts (for ANY bot) have screwed up badly in the past and still no bans.
#1 Key to getting banned is being reported by people, which is something no bot can manage.
Our scripts are open source for them to all see and read, yet we are all fine.
We have randomness and humanlike-ness, so I don't see how RiD in any way is less detectable than Simba.
One of your largest arguments is the way the mouse moves.....?
Our mouse moves just fine, has randomness/acceleration/speed/velocity which are all random/can be adjusted too.
And Mouse/MMouse (the mouse moving functions) are the most widely used functions in every script, if there was some easy pattern to spot, then anyone who ran a script would get banned, yet we don't... so obviously our mouse movements are just fine.
Tell me this, what exactly makes Simba so detectable?
About exp etc:
These are just documented stats (not all scripts commit stats) for only users who didn't enter any account info:
http://stats.villavu.com/user/235
Also stats for MSI:
http://stats.villavu.com/script/21
Total EXP Gained : 3,169,076,243
That's 3.1 BILLION XP from MSI alone.
Our totals would be MUCH higher than that, so obviously we are matched/the same when it comes to numbers game, we both have A LOT of hours and xp.
I'm not saying RiD is bad, or Simba is the best, it's just the your claims that RiD has all of this extra super duper stuff are annoying! RiD probably has some great things and features Simba may not have right now, but when it comes to detectability, users, xp, hours etc we are same/matched.
Last edited by YoHoJo; 02-08-2012 at 05:38 AM.
A general trend in the human psyche is that as humans we equate more money with higher quality and tend to believe that if something is free it must be defective. You will NOT change someones mind on RiD over simba easily because of this, and honestly, there really is no point to. If they want to use RiD, whats the harm? We as a community gain nothing from gaining a member who wants a bot like RiD, they will not learn to script, and overall will not contribute much. (obvious generalizations, but still.)
As for the time needed, if I wasn't in school right now, I'm pretty sure I could do it in a matter of days (not trying to say oh look at me, I'm better, I'm just trying to say RiD isn't that complex and wouldn't be terribly difficult to perfectly emulate in simba. I think you could also do it in much less then a month if you just sat down and knocked it out)
My main point is that as an open source community, we don't stand to gain anything by trying to go up against RiD, and thus it really isn't necessary. Though I do support your endevors to show how not complex it really is
You miss the main point about RiD. They are really undetectable because they tell their members to auto for less than 6 hours a day and thus stop users from being stupid /sarcasm.
Last edited by [Nathan]; 02-08-2012 at 05:46 AM.
@Trent!
....Sorry wut.....? the fisher is 100,000 lines of code?
Pardon me...? Did anyone else catch that?
What kind of fisher is this, does it catch kalphite queens?
By the way, Trent! the way you're talking about RiD is more of a marketing speech or scheme to probably get some users over there along the bandwagon. Come on man, realistically we all know that SRL + Simba > RiD, any day.
Last edited by 'Toxin; 02-08-2012 at 06:21 AM.
Can't we just like them both? I like both communities and both bots just about equally. They both take an extreme amount of effort to put together in the end of the day so I personally appreciate both. Kinda wierd seeing one bashing on the other :/
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531,879 hrs
almost as many hrs as u guys... and only 1/3rd the time.
this isnt here to bash RiD, i am simply sayin this so that u will stop trying to use numbers to impress us. im sure RiD is great, and i have respect for its scripters. but it sounds like you keep trying to belittle simba (then say u didnt).
MY TOY IS BETTER THAN YOUR TOY, SO **** YOU GUYS!
Good luck, by the way.![]()
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repeat
WriteLn('I am an idiot!');
until(False);
It sounds like Trent! is just bitter because he is paying for something that we all get for free.![]()
Apples and oranges. I've used both, and I enjoy both. For an end user who just wants to bot with little to no programming experience. RiD is the way to go IMO. If you're looking to learn a bit, and take more of a DIY approach, Simba is the obvious choice.
Also, if you can't manage to get RiD to run more than an hour or so. Yourdoinitwrong.jpg
Goodluck sin! I know you can do it just because you became an amazing scripter in such a short amount of time!
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I have to go with the others, and say that RiD is a one man project. If you have ever decompiled his work and looked at his method structures and the way the bot works. From a one man projects perspective its amazing that he was able to do all that.
Goodluck Sin.
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