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    Default Should or should their not be anti-Leaching in Public Script Section?

    The poll should have said
    SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T THERE BE ANTI LEECH???


    Quote Originally Posted by redgiant61 View Post
    WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS HERE ON VILLAVU?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

    Really??? Do you know why people bot rs? Because many of us dont have time to play it!
    So you think they gonna have time to start learning scripting??? I barely have time to set up my bot sometimes. This division between members and "public" is total bullshit!

    And if tht wasnt enough, now you put anti leeches in public scripts too?! I know this is probly basic stuff that i need to know to fix it, but cmon! these are the public scripts right??? Atleast let us use these witout anti - leeches. Ive played rs for 11 years, botted for 5 and i had never heard of Villavu before the bot nuke. you know why?? Because of the bullshit you guys have done... Public and member scripts... You want people to participate? well too fucking bad, cuz this site wont ever be able to grow, nnow that Rarebot and epicbt are back and Powerbot is almost back on. People will leech. they dont give a shit about making scripts. Its the way it is. So get over it. Its HUMAN NATURE. Everyones probly gonna rage at this post, but think about it yourself. Do you still wanna be under the shadows of better bots? just because u dont like the idea of leeching? Anti-leech...Pfft...

    Probly gonna be my last post on this site, and sorry it was to rage.

    Apologies to RyGuy, that i raged on the thread of his script. I respect you for all the scripts you have made, having used a lot of them, But this is total bullshit.
    In a way he does hold a point Public scripts should not have anti-leech Becuase for the fact that its public?, Yes there are a few that dont really have time for Learning how to script and understand codeing , the general reason for botting was so we dont have to play the game, it was something that most of us just saw as a 5 minute tutorial page and install and play feature , But! the fact that some people do have a anti-leech coded into their scripts is to help us in the end? Its saving the Runescape comunity.. with saying this im refering to the crashing of Items that are made using various types of scripts, In the end thoes people who do complain about anti leach are going to complain about market crashing belive it or not , and who are they going to blame? yes the developers of thoes scripts.

    So in conclusion It is quite hard to say weather there should be anti-leech in the public script coloum , then again it is the developers choise to have it in their in the first place , unless their was a new rule of no anti-leech addition to scripts in the public scripts section. I personaly like anti-leach features as it helps me understand how the script actually works in game.

    I dont know what else to say I want to know what you guys think about anti-leeching , I know most scripters here are going to say something along the lines of its to help you understand how it works , how to do it your self , its saving runescape and i dont blame you for that its your own personal opinion , But as for non scripters what do you think about it?
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    I like anti leech, we are a LEARNING community first, RS cheating follows right behind it. I know people don't have time to learn, but a little here and there helps you enough to get around the sort of features.
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    I disagree. Antileach shouldn't be done because it makes scripts look unprofessional. It makes villavu conform to the stereotype that no scripts work. I guess it does kill a few leechers, but some of those might turn into a scripter. Also, antileech doesn't make you learn anything; it just makes you use the search button for 5 seconds or see the simple error.


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    cuz this site wont ever be able to grow
    If growing means gaining a ton of leeches to have a bigger user base... I think I'd be fine it SRL didn't grow that much.
    Sure SRL is primarily geared to botting in rs, but that does not mean that is it's only purpose. As Kyle said, this is a community based on learning new things, not only to bot on some game.

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    I may be newer here, but isn't Villavu a scripting community first, then a runescape botting forum?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    Also, antileech doesn't make you learn anything; it just makes you use the search button for 5 seconds or see the simple error.
    Personally, I think thats good enough. Separates the lazy man from the hard (not really) worker.

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    I guess it does kill a few leechers, but some of those might turn into a scripter.
    I don't agree. Someone ,who can't afford to fix simple compiling error will never become a scripter.

    Also, antileech doesn't make you learn anything; it just makes you use the search button for 5 seconds or see the simple error.
    If it was so simple ,it wouldn't generate such frustrated opinions ,like that one quoted in first posts. Real Leachers are greedy ,they want only to abuse scripter's work ,without any effort from their side. They won't use search button ,because 'they want to have an IRL life'. It's just way of thinking.

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    I personally love the idea that you have to earn and learn your way to the private scripts. So when the good scripts are being used the user will fully understand them in case of an error or bug and help each others scripts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big man 1 View Post
    In a way he does hold a point Public scripts should not have anti-leech Becuase for the fact that its public?, Yes there are a few that dont really have time for Learning how to script and understand codeing , the general reason for botting was so we dont have to play the game, it was something that most of us just saw as a 5 minute tutorial page and install and play feature , But! the fact that some people do have a anti-leech coded into their scripts is to help us in the end? Its saving the Runescape comunity.. with saying this im refering to the crashing of Items that are made using various types of scripts, In the end thoes people who do complain about anti leach are going to complain about market crashing belive it or not , and who are they going to blame? yes the developers of thoes scripts.

    So in conclusion It is quite hard to say weather there should be anti-leech in the public script coloum , then again it is the developers choise to have it in their in the first place , unless their was a new rule of no anti-leech addition to scripts in the public scripts section. I personaly like anti-leach features as it helps me understand how the script actually works in game.

    I dont know what else to say I want to know what you guys think about anti-leeching , I know most scripters here are going to say something along the lines of its to help you understand how it works , how to do it your self , its saving runescape and i dont blame you for that its your own personal opinion , But as for non scripters what do you think about it?
    I think that's the reason we are "Registered User" And the higher ups are "members"

    I'm not even very good at scripting yet and i love the idea of anti leeching. Sure its public, for you to learn. If you are complaining about scriptings anti leeching there scripts then gtfo. This is a learning community, not a leeching community. IMO that guys rage should be enough for a ban because he obviously only here for pure greed and doesn't appreciate what the scripter had to do in order to get that script to work, not to mention he works for FREE. These scripts are very time consuming.....


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    I think anti leeching methods as they are currently being used are a waste of time.
    They make the forums seem unprofessional in inhospitable. I'm sure the majority of currently active scripters where "leechers" at some point very few people jump straight into runescape cheating with the mentality that they want to spend hours on end writing scripts or bots knowing that they are readily available elsewhere on the internet.
    I think the best method is to have make it so that if you release your script to the public it is too everyone. The people who will turn out to become good script writers will do it from their own want to learn not from being forced into learning how to fix a simple error.

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    How about a public script section, a members script section and a section for public scripts with anti-leech?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the flea View Post
    I think anti leeching methods as they are currently being used are a waste of time.
    They make the forums seem unprofessional in inhospitable. I'm sure the majority of currently active scripters where "leechers" at some point very few people jump straight into runescape cheating with the mentality that they want to spend hours on end writing scripts or bots knowing that they are readily available elsewhere on the internet.
    I think the best method is to have make it so that if you release your script to the public it is too everyone. The people who will turn out to become good script writers will do it from their own want to learn not from being forced into learning how to fix a simple error.
    The last thing it does is make the forums look unprofessional and inhospitable.

    For me, it shows that we value intellect more than anything, and we aren't gonna deal with anyone who doesn't have an ounce with it. Which makes perfect sense to me, as harsh as it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the flea View Post
    The people who will turn out to become good script writers will do it from their own want to learn not from being forced into learning how to fix a simple error.
    This is exactly what im thinking .. the word being force is just another word for anti-leech , meaning as in scripts that do have anti leach is pretty much just forceing people to learn something for hours and then come back to it and fix the error.. Quite frankly i think as a user said before there should be three levels of script grades ie scripts for public , these could be very basic scripts or somewhat in between basic and adnvanced , Scripts with anti-leech being advanced scripts with the ability to do awsome things! like things that could potentialy harm runescape marketwise and fianaly members script. then again this is my own opinion and other wise some intresting feed back from the rest of the people replying to this thread.
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    The OP needs to make this thread into a Poll.. Honestly speaking, I'll vote for NO anti-leech..

    Many members already know what it feels like to write a script and place it in the members section and get little to no feedback. Then to go and do this in the public sections and force users to learn who have their mind set on NOT learning.. isn't going to change anything.. What this does is just get "leeches" to help each-other get around it.. that's all it does.. One leech fixes it and then posts how the fix is done or shares it through a PM.. If a script is public.. it's public.. there is no semi-public anti stuff..

    I Guarantee for all the scripters who thinks it works.. it just doesn't..


    Got a thumbs up for saying that on another thread today :S dunno from who but meh.. Not showing off but it just goes to show..

    People aren't going to do the anti-leeches.. they aren't even going to bother with the script.. Instead they are going to request the script that has already been made (with anti-leech) but say "I want a working so-and-so script" because "this other one doesn't work".. And the request section will be filled with that stuff..

    Just my opinion but some members take the members thing a little too far.. NOT every single script has to be members+ and not every single public has to have anti-leech.. it does nothing.

    I know this because I used to leech scripts.. Not to run them because I can already make them but well.. to keep a copy of every single one in-case it ever got removed.. I still have a copy of the first version of every single script released when I was a guy with the green name.. EVEN though I do not use it and it's far outdated.. Iunno why but I just have it :S Mind you I got them all when I only had under 50 posts.. and that was probably the first week that I came here. Never ran narcle's fighter but I hoarded every version -_-
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    Quote Originally Posted by ggzz View Post
    The OP needs to make this thread into a Poll.. Honestly speaking, I'll vote for NO anti-leech..

    Many members already know what it feels like to write a script and place it in the members section and get little to no feedback. Then to go and do this in the public sections and force users to learn who have their mind set on NOT learning.. isn't going to change anything.. What this does is just get "leeches" to help each-other get around it.. that's all it does.. One leech fixes it and then posts how the fix is done or shares it through a PM.. If a script is public.. it's public.. there is no semi-public anti stuff..

    I Guarantee for all the scripters who thinks it works.. it just doesn't..


    Got a thumbs up for saying that on another thread today :S dunno from who but meh.. Not showing off but it just goes to show..

    People aren't going to do the anti-leeches.. they aren't even going to bother with the script.. Instead they are going to request the script that has already been made (with anti-leech) but say "I want a working so-and-so script" because "this other one doesn't work".. And the request section will be filled with that stuff..

    Just my opinion but some members take the members thing a little too far.. NOT every single script has to be members+ and not every single public has to have anti-leech.. it does nothing.

    I know this because I used to leech scripts.. Not to run them because I can already make them but well.. to keep a copy of every single one in-case it ever got removed.. I still have a copy of the first version of every single script released when I was a guy with the green name.. EVEN though I do not use it and it's far outdated.. Iunno why but I just have it :S Mind you I got them all when I only had under 50 posts.. and that was probably the first week that I came here.
    I couldn't agree more! It really doesn't change much... btw a junior members section would have been the perfect place for RyGuys recently released then removed astral crafter!

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    Fine.. then how about all members who can't script, who aren't learning, or don't have a basic knowledge (that can be gained from the tutorials here) of scripting can't view/download/use the scripts. The "Public" scripts section would turn into the beginner scripting section, or something like that...
    No?.. fine...

    Edit: Could still throw antileech methods in, but everybody at this level should be able to deal with it (on their own, easily enough)
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    I don't see why we would need to add Anti-leach into Public script... The goal of this section is to show your script and lets everyone use it as much as they want. If it does happen than it would require a name change for this section since people would need some knowledge to get the Script working!

    If some say Anti-leech aren't that hard to bypass. Yes, if someone just add a random thing into one line to make the script saying : Error at line 1059, you need to add .... I don't call this anti-leech. In my vision, Anti-leech is modifing the script for it to not work correctly and require the player downloading it to read threw the procedures and function to find what is miswritten to make it to work correctly.

    But, if the goal is to eradicate all leecher and turn this community into a pure Scripting Community than doing this is the best way, since people will need a minimum of knowledge if they want to to use any kind of script.

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    some people just want to play the game and not script. i don't like the game and that's why i don't script but im still against anti leech.
    and i have played rs and know its "unplayable" without botting.
    afterall leeching means learning it all depends on the person whenever they want to learn or not but leechers also help by finding bugs.

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    both points of view have their arguments, but i also believe that people are more likely to get interested in something if they arent forced to do it, im doing a script in my free hours which arent that much since im at college, i can handle with anti-leeches since im not one, good thing i got the astral from rrguy, its a very nice script and will learn some things from it (i knew it would be removed in no time), although i only used it like 40-45 mins

    i believe some scripts should be members but not all good scripts have to be members, how am i supposed to learn some more advanced scirpting if i dont see a single advanced script? you cant learn everything from tutorials...

    there are leeches, of course, any botting community has them, but like i said forcing someone to do something never works, i am not completely oposed to the anti-leech but i feel it does not help that much, and it is creating a bigger division between public and members, although some members are also oposed to the anti-leech

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    First of all, poll is terrible. The answer to, "Should or shouldn't there be anti-leeching?" is not, "Yes," or, "No." It doesn't make sense since the question is a tautology, something that is by its nature always true, but I digress.

    I think the biggest problem is a sense of ego. Villavu doesn't have the ability to destroy RuneScape. No matter what happens, the people over at Jagex have supreme control and can probably handle a shifting economy - they are paid, successful professionals after all. Next, we have scripters who think that not just anyone is good enough to use their scripts. No, you must pass a test to use it! Why? SRL is an amazing collection of code and it has nothing between it and whoever wants to use it, the same for Simba and SMART. Scripts aren't valuable, aren't precious, aren't a resource that must be preserved at all costs. They don't lose value from their use or gain value from their disuse - if anything, the reverse is true.

    Leecher is just a name to dehumanise a subgroup of users. It's said that they take from our community, but nothing is lost from their presence (beyond bandwidth that isn't a problem.) They are the internet pirates of the macroing world and that doesn't make them the bad guys. The difference is that you can use them to help. If they are not attacked, you can turn them into script testers, treating them like people that can help you in indirect ways. Not all of them will be, but even then you can slip in things like SRL stats to let you know that they are simply running your script.

    The only thing standing between a scripter and the untapped resource that are leechers is his own ingenuity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mixster View Post
    First of all, poll is terrible. The answer to, "Should or shouldn't there be anti-leeching?" is not, "Yes," or, "No." It doesn't make sense
    sorry about the poll i just a read a few comments , and some one sugested a poll and i wasnt sure how to make one so i just quickly glanced over some stuff ande found it , and it was all just made in a rush , thus making spelling error's and stuff sorry , and dude you just made me learn a few words! nice

    Over all I am really likeing the feed back from everybody keep em comming guys
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    I truly believe it's up to the scripter what they want to put into their script. They are the creator and owner of the script if they wish it to be a puzzle then so be it. If users don't want to figure out the puzzle when a scripter post it, then don't use the script. IMO it's that easy you can't demand that a scripter change something that by all rights belongs to them.

    E: Mind if I add a choice to the poll. "Up to the Scripter."

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    Definitely agree. First of all it's a free script. If the script-writer wastes hours and hours probably days into writing a script... You should atleast have to use 5-10 minutes of your time to be able to use the script. If not that atleast donate to the script-writer he gets nothing out of writing a free script for you besides practice. I really don't understand this.. Why are people complaining about wasting 5 minutes of there life when the script-writer wasted days of his life for nothing besides feedback.... this is so sad...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mixster View Post
    First of all, poll is terrible. The answer to, "Should or shouldn't there be anti-leeching?" is not, "Yes," or, "No." It doesn't make sense since the question is a tautology, something that is by its nature always true, but I digress.

    I think the biggest problem is a sense of ego. Villavu doesn't have the ability to destroy RuneScape. No matter what happens, the people over at Jagex have supreme control and can probably handle a shifting economy - they are paid, successful professionals after all. Next, we have scripters who think that not just anyone is good enough to use their scripts. No, you must pass a test to use it! Why? SRL is an amazing collection of code and it has nothing between it and whoever wants to use it, the same for Simba and SMART. Scripts aren't valuable, aren't precious, aren't a resource that must be preserved at all costs. They don't lose value from their use or gain value from their disuse - if anything, the reverse is true.

    Leecher is just a name to dehumanise a subgroup of users. It's said that they take from our community, but nothing is lost from their presence (beyond bandwidth that isn't a problem.) They are the internet pirates of the macroing world and that doesn't make them the bad guys. The difference is that you can use them to help. If they are not attacked, you can turn them into script testers, treating them like people that can help you in indirect ways. Not all of them will be, but even then you can slip in things like SRL stats to let you know that they are simply running your script.

    The only thing standing between a scripter and the untapped resource that are leechers is his own ingenuity.
    I agree 100% to this, but I think it should be up to the scripter what he or she puts in his script, as long as it does not go against the rules (rules being i.e stealing the users password(s) and so on)

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