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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobarkinator View Post
    Honestly the guy has a point with the script previews. Putting on display what is in the members forum might provide some incentive to people.
    Well I just recently found out how to make videos with fairly low file-size for Youtube, so I might just do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Undefined View Post
    People are forgetting that this is a learning community first, not a botting forum. Providing previews for the Member scripts only reinforces the "for the scripts" ideology for getting members.

    Should people have previews to the SSRL and Developer scripts too? No. Because that's not what we are about.
    As Kyle said, first and foremost we're a community about learning, not about the scripts. Having the scripts out for display isn't a good idea IMHO.

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    Yes, I'd agree that this is a learning community first but your average joe blow comes here, first and foremost, to leech. And some of those guys won't stick around long enough to learn anything without incentives. So they stick around, and THEN we brainwash them about the learning community
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobarkinator View Post
    Yes, I'd agree that this is a learning community first but your average joe blow comes here, first and foremost, to leech. And some of those guys won't stick around long enough to learn anything without incentives. So they stick around, and THEN we brainwash them about the learning community
    Starting to sound evil lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobarkinator View Post
    Yes, I'd agree that this is a learning community first but your average joe blow comes here, first and foremost, to leech. And some of those guys won't stick around long enough to learn anything without incentives. So they stick around, and THEN we brainwash them about the learning community
    Why should we give incentives to the leeches that don't care about the community aspect? Why change the way the forum has been for years?

    We are the best community because of our ideology that was established years ago. The way it's setup now is to make people realize that they can learn to make scripts themselves, and that by the time they can become an SRL Member they don't need the premade scripts since they can make anything they want.

    When I first joined years ago, I started off as a leech. However, getting access to the Member scripts isn't what drove me to learn to script. It was the act of learning something new, and I've used 5 Member scripts total since I've became a Member.

    IMHO, giving previews for the scripts that are earned and given as a reward changes the way of the forum completely.
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    Personally I always liked the mystery of the members scripts section. Only thing I don't like about how it is now is the large number of people who as soon as they get members disappear. I agree with community focused first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobarkinator View Post
    Honestly the guy has a point with the script previews. Putting on display what is in the members forum might provide some incentive to people.
    And maybe get more 1-posters to apply with the script:

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    Quote Originally Posted by putonajonny View Post
    Well if you had access to them, they wouldn't be private...
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Undefined View Post
    If they were public, then they wouldn't be private
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    Quote Originally Posted by ashaman88 View Post
    Personally I always liked the mystery of the members scripts section. Only thing I don't like about how it is now is the large number of people who as soon as they get members disappear. I agree with community focused first.
    +1

    The mystery of the members section was part of driving me too script, also sooooo true so many people have just left after getting members. Kinda disappointing.
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    Eh, maybe you guys are right.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ashaman88 View Post
    Personally I always liked the mystery of the members scripts section. Only thing I don't like about how it is now is the large number of people who as soon as they get members disappear. I agree with community focused first.
    This thread was never intended for asking SRL to change the way it was, but I guess we got side tracked. It was originally intended to find out if there actually a private section, but it is nice to hear everyone's opinions.

    Let bring up how the way SRL runs. The way SRL is trying to make super humans in a way. If everyone ran the same logic, the world would be a disaster. If farmers were to produce food and only share it with other people who can produce food, wouldn't society get fucked over? I can see how SRL only wants the best of the best, but that just makes life tougher. Not everyone can code efficiently. Even if someone can code something basic, it may not even be worth using due to efficiency. Why would someone waste time learning something and code something that isn't that great and only end up getting rejected. Wouldn't have been wise for them to pursue something that they are more capable of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iFail247 View Post
    This thread was never intended for asking SRL to change the way it was, but I guess we got side tracked. It was originally intended to find out if there actually a private section, but it is nice to hear everyone's opinions.

    Let bring up how the way SRL runs. The way SRL is trying to make super humans in a way. If everyone ran the same logic, the world would be a disaster. If farmers were to produce food and only share it with other people who can produce food, wouldn't society get fucked over? I can see how SRL only wants the best of the best, but that just makes life tougher. Not everyone can code efficiently. Even if someone can code something basic, it may not even be worth using due to efficiency. Why would someone waste time learning something and code something that isn't that great and only end up getting rejected. Wouldn't have been wise for them to pursue something that they are more capable of?
    So what's the point of a preview then? Since the only way you can get them is to become an SRL Member. There's no way around it.

    We aren't trying to make super humans, people who can code/script/program are anything but that. You're looking at it from a "botting forum" point of view, which is NOT what we are about. The private scripts in Members+ are rewards for being a solid member of the community, not the reason to become a Member.

    Your farmer analogy is completely wrong. We don't owe anyone, anything. It's up to the users who join our community to advance, and the ones who choose to, get rewarded. It doesn't happen overnight, it takes time.

    It seems that you're still missing the point of our community. It's NOT about the scripts, whatsoever. It's about being involved, helpful, and learning. That is it, nothing else.

    Learning to script even the most basic of scripts isn't a waste of time, because you learn something new. If it's not efficient, you learn how to make it efficient, you practice. If you don't want to learn to script, then that's fine, we honestly don't care. You just don't get to reap the benefits of someone who can.

    I understand that not everyone can script, because of time/life/school/etc. Not everyone who can script gets into Members, not all Members were accepted the first time. Some Members didn't even write a script to become one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Undefined View Post
    So what's the point of a preview then? Since the only way you can get them is to become an SRL Member. There's no way around it.

    We aren't trying to make super humans, people who can code/script/program are anything but that. You're looking at it from a "botting forum" point of view, which is NOT what we are about. The private scripts in Members+ are rewards for being a solid member of the community, not the reason to become a Member.

    Your farmer analogy is completely wrong. We don't owe anyone, anything. It's up to the users who join our community to advance, and the ones who choose to, get rewarded. It doesn't happen overnight, it takes time.

    It seems that you're still missing the point of our community. It's NOT about the scripts, whatsoever. It's about being involved, helpful, and learning. That is it, nothing else.

    Learning to script even the most basic of scripts isn't a waste of time, because you learn something new. If it's not efficient, you learn how to make it efficient, you practice. If you don't want to learn to script, then that's fine, we honestly don't care. You just don't get to reap the benefits of someone who can.

    I understand that not everyone can script, because of time/life/school/etc. Not everyone who can script gets into Members, not all Members were accepted the first time. Some Members didn't even write a script to become one.
    As much as I like getting post count up and arguing, I see no point to it. The entire point of the thread was to find out whether there was a private section or not. Let's leave it at that before it gets overwhelmed.

    Can a mod please close this?

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    If you want an example of not scripting and advancing, take a look at Jason2gs. I honestly don't know if he ever seriously wrote a big script like most people, yet he advanced all the way to SSRL. I think it took him a while though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by iFail247 View Post
    This thread was never intended for asking SRL to change the way it was, but I guess we got side tracked. It was originally intended to find out if there actually a private section, but it is nice to hear everyone's opinions.

    Let bring up how the way SRL runs. The way SRL is trying to make super humans in a way. If everyone ran the same logic, the world would be a disaster. If farmers were to produce food and only share it with other people who can produce food, wouldn't society get fucked over? I can see how SRL only wants the best of the best, but that just makes life tougher. Not everyone can code efficiently. Even if someone can code something basic, it may not even be worth using due to efficiency. Why would someone waste time learning something and code something that isn't that great and only end up getting rejected. Wouldn't have been wise for them to pursue something that they are more capable of?
    False statement. I used to be a leech, for more than 1 year. The reason I came to villavu is the same as almost all of the members here, thinking of leeching some scripts out of it. But after being here for a month, I can feel the community is meant to "learn and earn". After starting to script, you will only get better. Even if you had any problem, as long as you are willing to learn, people here will give you a hand in any problem you encounter. As like what Kyle said, I feel I can make anything I want now. Hardwork pays, hardwork never betrays.

    However, I still like the idea of previews of scripts. Having a look of what's inside the members section is what motivated me from learning at the beginning. In the end, learnt that I can actually make them myself, didn't actually have the motivation of applying members anymore. Target was to know what's inside and script it myself to learn more advanced codes, that makes my reward = scripts that is the same inside, and improved skills. But that's just what I think, might not apply to everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CephaXz View Post
    False statement. I used to be a leech, for more than 1 year. The reason I came to villavu is the same as almost all of the members here, thinking of leeching some scripts out of it. But after being here for a month, I can feel the community is meant to "learn and earn". After starting to script, you will only get better. Even if you had any problem, as long as you are willing to learn, people here will give you a hand in any problem you encounter. As like what Kyle said, I feel I can make anything I want now. Hardwork pays, hardwork never betrays.

    However, I still like the idea of previews of scripts. Having a look of what's inside the members section is what motivated me from learning at the beginning. In the end, learnt that I can actually make them myself, didn't actually have the motivation of applying members anymore. Target was to know what's inside and script it myself to learn more advanced codes, that makes my reward = scripts that is the same inside, and improved skills. But that's just what I think, might not apply to everyone else.
    What was the false statement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iFail247 View Post
    What was the false statement?
    I think he was talking about the whole superhuman paragraph/idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yago View Post
    I think he was talking about the whole superhuman paragraph/idea.
    Oh okay.

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    If farmers were to produce food and only share it with other people who can produce food, wouldn't society get fucked over?
    More than enough food produced by farmers that is shared with all other people.


    Even if someone can code something basic, it may not even be worth using due to efficiency. Why would someone waste time learning something and code something that isn't that great and only end up getting rejected. Wouldn't have been wise for them to pursue something that they are more capable of?
    Every of us leechers starts up scripting the same point. If A became a good scripter a month later and B still can't finish his first script, are you going to say A is genius and B is just dumb? I'd say A puts in much more effort than B. Everyone is capable of scripting with simba. I had totally zero knowledge on scripting. Unlike some people that has a lot of time, I'm a busy person in final year of degree in business. But making my first script actually only using some of my free time in 3 days. The moment you see it working and release your first script,

    IT FEELS REALLY GOOD
    AND I'M SURE ITS THE SAME AS EVERYONE ELSE. FOR A MOMENT YOU FELT LIKE YOU'RE CHUCK NORRIS

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    Quote Originally Posted by CephaXz View Post
    More than enough food produced by farmers that is shared with all other people.
    Um... if farmers shared it with only people that can produce food aka other farms, society would be fucked because you wouldn't be able to get food. Do you understand now? Same can be said about scripters: more than enough scripts are produced by scripters that can be shared with all others. Hope that makes a little more sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by CephaXz View Post
    Every of us leechers starts up scripting the same point. If A became a good scripter a month later and B still can't finish his first script, are you going to say A is genius and B is just dumb? I'd say A puts in much more effort than B. Everyone is capable of scripting with simba. I had totally zero knowledge on scripting. Unlike some people that has a lot of time, I'm a busy person in final year of degree in business. But making my first script actually only using some of my free time in 3 days. The moment you see it working and release your first script,

    IT FEELS REALLY GOOD
    AND I'M SURE ITS THE SAME AS EVERYONE ELSE. FOR A MOMENT YOU FELT LIKE YOU'RE CHUCK NORRIS
    Finished does not mean efficiency. All the professional programs you see out in any market have to be top notch to even being sold. Everyone wants efficiency. I am not saying B is a dumbass for not finishing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CephaXz View Post
    I think you don't feel me. Oh well, I give up
    I understand what this forum is about and how it feels when you get something working. I was only trying to say my opinion on the matter and you don't seem to understand what I am trying to say.

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    But farmers are not required to give away their hard earned crops that they put labor into. Instead, some farmers have decided to teach others how to farm so that people learn to become self-sufficient, thus solving world hunger.

    There's a quote that says "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach him how to fish..." Anyways, I'm just a bored individual so don't mind me....
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    Farmers are not a good example...you would die without food...you won't die without the private scripts. Thus food is necessary to live, while bots are not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yago View Post
    But farmers are not required to give away their hard earned crops that they put labor into. Instead, some farmers have decided to teach others how to farm so that people learn to become self-sufficient, thus solving world hunger.

    There's a quote that says "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach him how to fish..." Anyways, I'm just a bored individual so don't mind me....
    That is true. If every became self sufficient, the wotld would improve at a slower rate. It is better for people to focus what they are good at and share with each other. That quote is true too. I guess it really depends on how you view things.

    Quote Originally Posted by ashaman88 View Post
    Farmers are not a good example...you would die without food...you won't die without the private scripts. Thus food is necessary to live, while bots are not.
    It is an okay example. I could easily use a car example. Works the same way.

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