I suggest informing him about the current situation he is presently in. He obviously isn't some world-class criminal because he was scared off his ass once he con-ned you (up to the point where he changed his phone numbers). If he is sane he will contact you back begging for your forgiveness and offering to make a deal. This is the point where you make your decision, but to get to this point you have to take the aforementioned path.
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Haha like the other guy said What is a flats account?
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Wow... how hard would a choice like that be. Put yourself in that guy's shoes. The guy is probably broke looking to make some quick cash to float his next rent payment. I don't know how much he got from you, but I think you should cut this guy some slack when you make your decision. Make a deal on some money (good chunk more than you were scammed) and tell him he's never going to scam someone again. I don't care if that was his background but give him the benefit of the doubt.
If you decide to put him in jail- or even a criminal record, you are ruining his life forever. He won't be able to get insurance for any kind of decent price. He won't be able to get a job anywhere that provides substantial living wages. He will have to check up with police for the years to come. He will have his internet activity monitored for life. He won’t be able to buy a house (not that his job will allow it either). Have some sort of kindness... let the man live past his mistakes. Have the forgiveness of God.
I hear you all criticizing this man and saying that he should be punished and put in jail, but you don't realize how devastating that will be for this man. None of you have any idea how hard it is to go to jail, or how hard it is to stand up in front of a judge and confess your wrongs, how hard it is to live with what you did and the immense consequences that followed- YouTube it, Google it; you’ll get the same results about how hard all of the process and the system are/were. I actually quite pity this man right now because of all of you- none of you have any right to be pointing the finger at a man you don’t even know, you should all be ashamed of yourselves. What he did was wrong, but nobody is perfect. Please just give it some time and thought before you seal this man's fate...
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Joe - I'm not sure at what point in time I should give him any bit of help. If he needed the money for rent, then get a job... Junkies have a addition and they rob, lie etc to get money but are we suppose to feel sorry for them?
I have tried to work out a deal with him, I've left him a few text messages not sure what he received since he changed his phone number. That being said I have also emailed him 3 times and he's ignored it.
If you think for one second when the detective goes to arrest him I'll grant him any bit of kindness to work a deal he's dead wrong.
If he thinks he can get away with it he wont give me my money back, but yet when he finds out hes going to go to jail he's willing to give my money back? Ironic dont you think? I'm going to see to it that he's arrested; I've wasted enough time and now the detective is investing the case so he's now has time invested into this so the state will make the final judment call with what they intend to do.
Flats account is a account that has flat 99's for combat stats. I'm not sure if that is still a term in 2012.
150$ but the money is irrelevant at this point in time...
@Joe, are you kidding?
This guy probably has scammed more people. He probably prays on the trust of others. This is not a joke. Stealing is stealing. Doesnt matter how much money. He thinks he can get away with this and next time steals even more. The law is the law, and this guy is breaking it.
I can't believe you would say that Joe...
Like po2n said. If you need the money, then dont play an online game and go get a job. Ridiculous.
Sry for the rant, or how my comment comes out. It's just my thoughts.
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TAKE THAT FOOL OUT!!
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I'll take a loss on the cash at this point in time. I'll get my money through restitution... I hope he knows court costs, lawyer fee's and bail will have exceeded the money he scammed... That is the real face palm right there my brothers.... I'll have the last laugh when I see him in court and with any luck I'll take a photo of him in the court room....
I'm curious when I should email the detective again and ask for a update. I understand this isnt quicken loans; the process isn't instant.
I really want to start to see a little update so I can start to compile some of the information that I have so I can make a thread that I can update weekly with the progress report of the case leading up to the arrest.
He broke the law, no matter what reason. He deserves any punishment he gets, unless it's just too extreme.
po2n doesn't have the authority to put him into jail, he can only press charges. It's up to the judicial system to determine if he gets jail time or not. Even if he does get put into jail, he broke the law and took the risk. He can only blame himself for ruining his life.
If someone decides to do something against the law and gets caught, they brought the punishment upon themselves. They'll have to live with that mistake for the rest of their life, not anyone else.
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That is what the detective told me. Fraud via a virtual game or Fraud over selling someone something via ebay, etc...Doesn't matter.
And this is what fraud means:
Fraud: Wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.
Fraud: A person or thing intended to deceive others, typically by unjustifiably claiming or being credited with accomplishments or qualities.
Im not trying to justifiy what this person did because it is obviously wrong, that is black and white. However depeneding on how this situation would be handeled in court as stated above by joe u could be in effect altering this persons life forever. I mean my father owns many businesses and giveing this person a criminal record of this magnitude can deny them a extremely large portion of jobs avaiable, even after thier jail time and fines. Haveing said all this it is ulitmatly your decision and I completely support u in either choice, and this person has still broken the law and u are the victim, im just trying to state that this is much more than simply wining one for honest internet salesmen and ruining scammers. This person could be on either end of the spectrum, well off person evily scamming children, or father trying to help his family survive. This is a sersious situation.
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Good job, too bad he won't get a life sentence, or death..
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I just received a email from the detective this morning.
He said hes still waiting on Facebook's records (Not sure why though)
He's going to call Jeffrey Bjorkman later this week; he's going to approach it from " provide the product or give him back his money" angle.
Once he confirms that Jeffrey Bjorkman accepts giving the money back or product we can then discuss charges.
I responded back to the detective this morning that its long past getting back my money or the merchandise. Its now about right an wrong and if Mr. Bjorkman thinks he'll get away with it he will. Hence the fact he changed his phone #
Now that he thinks he may go to jail he wants to give back my money? What about all the other people he may have done this to...Or what about the fact he can do this to someone again, he isn't going to stop. He'll just say " oh man I better be more careful next time around to not get caught "
Sadly this time; I'm just going to see to it that he's arrested. I am looking to prove a point and when he's in his the holding cell @ the county jail and he's with career repeat offenders and there all discussing why they were locked up...I'll pay to hear Bjorkman say " I scammed someone for 200$ for a online video game " Boy oh boy.....
I applaud you for standing behind what is right and fighting for justice. I don't care what the crime is if a person chooses to commit it there are consequences, this is real life. Think about your actions as you are the one that's going to be living with them.
However, $150 is going to fall under minor fraud in court right? Probably won't "ruin" any chance of him getting a job. He will just have a fair bit of explaining to do at future interviews.
Sadly there isn't a such thing as minor fraud... Fraud is fraud, fraud of 5million dollars are treated the same as those who do 50.00 dollars...
Its the amount of accounts that adds a bit of jail time...You know the insurance scams that are typically a permanent scam which involves thousands... Those would be the ones that have a long sentence.
Right now the charges the detective are looking at are; scheme to defraud //
its CHAPTER 817.034 which technically means:
The Legislature recognizes that schemes to defraud have proliferated in the United States in recent years and that many operators of schemes to defraud use communications technology to solicit victims and thereby conceal their identities and overcome a victim’s normal resistance to sales pressure by delivering a personalized sales message.
Also for those who think its crazy to be arrested over a game...Let me show you where he's breaking the law;
“Property” means anything of value, and includes:
Tangible or intangible personal property, including rights, privileges, interests, and claims; and Services
“Scheme to defraud” means a systematic, ongoing course of conduct with intent to defraud one or more persons, or with intent to obtain property from one or more persons by false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises or willful misrepresentations of a future act.
If the amount of property obtained has an aggregate value of less than $20,000, the violator is guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
Technically speaking fraud is based at under 20,000 or above 20,000 - 50,000 is second degree and 1st degree is 50,000 or greater...
Wow, Good luck man! I hope you get your money back, and a slice of revenge on the side!
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