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    Quote Originally Posted by bolshak25 View Post
    ive got an idea, add "the random word is ______" (without the quotes) and put any word in there, in the rules. then when registering make the question what is the random word? that way people will have to read our rules before registering, and spam bots wont go looking for the rules to find the word.
    Would a normal registered user go looking in the rules for the random word either though? You'd have to direct them there or have the random word in the sign-up page. With the random word immediately visible you could write a script to crack that simply using SRL's text functions.

    I think the idea of a very simple general knowledge/mathematical-based question is the best option. i.e. How many legs does a spider have (as Brandon suggested earlier).

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    I agree with others about the randomized question. Other forums I have been on use that method. Example: How many letters are in the word COIN? (hint: 2+2)

    Simple but effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by p1ng View Post
    Would a normal registered user go looking in the rules for the random word either though? You'd have to direct them there or have the random word in the sign-up page. With the random word immediately visible you could write a script to crack that simply using SRL's text functions.

    I think the idea of a very simple general knowledge/mathematical-based question is the best option. i.e. How many legs does a spider have (as Brandon suggested earlier).
    put on the registration page in bold you must read the rules before registering. that way they read the rules and if they havent they were supposed to

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    How about just restrict new users to the welcome section and have a mod who then allows access to the rest of the public forum after they write their welcome page?
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    Yeah i think somehow there should be maybe more mods

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizzup? View Post
    For everyone saying spam is a solved problem, please explain to me why I still get so much spam on my email accounts.

    I'm open to new registration questions, and the spam is really pissing me off too, but everytime we implement something new, they come back after a few weeks. That and we're also using http://stopforumip.com IP block list which also actually blocks some legitimate users, which is just plain annoying.

    We actually were rid of most spam bots for quite a while, it used to be much worse.

    I'm open to solutions.

    Kind of funny, we against jagex, spammers against us lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grihmm View Post
    Until you have moderated on a forum, don't make threads asking for this kind of thing. It's not as easy as clicking a button. This happens on damn near every forum on the internet and it is very difficult to stop. You can make it harder for them, but if the spammer is skilled enough they can still do it no matter what you do. The best thing is to report it and ignore it.
    You're right, it takes 2 clicks (or just about).

    On phpbb (I am unaware of how it works with vBulletin however), you go into a user's profile > moderate user > delete user and all posts.

    Easy peasy.
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    I was on blackhat sites now for almost a year. There are many tools, software that will do this automated.

    The best way to stop them is to do what I suggested.

    This software use keywords you input to evaluate if a site is a forum and what type of forum it is. It is really easy to harvest a list through google about all websites related to the terms you specify. If my suggestion is implemented, you will get rid of the majority of this bots, obviously, those that already succeeded in finding this site will have it in their database, so for them you will have to do something else. Ip banning is not really a solution, as most blakhatters run`s off vpn or dedicated servers with a proxy list or proxy service they buy, and believe me, they spend a tremendous amount of money to have these tools and it works.

    But first to get a list they need to do a search which is also automated by specifying certain keywords and key phrases. Once you have changed what I suggested, you will have to let google and all other search engines re-index the site so that the cache they have of the site will be update otherwise they will find you anyway as the cache still has the old site. This spam is actually not done by a hardcore blackhatter that has been long in the game of making money,

    This is done by someone who just recently started using blackhat methods.

    For a hardcore blackhatter it is all about building a long time relationship with his audience as he wants repeat customers and not a once off shot in the dark, this is like using a shotgun and hoping you hit something, the hardcore blackhatter will visit all their targeted sites, evaluate the audience and then target them with spam that is geared towards the type of audience they wish to target. This site is dedicated to gaming and programming, the audience here is interested in these subjects, to bombard them with Viagra or handbags is a waste of time, the vcc and credit related topics might work, but if this was a truly dedicated blackhatter, he would have focused on things related to your interests like gaming, computer gear, software.

    Do what I suggested and you will stop the most off them, you will also have to include the membership list for the site to make that unique as well, front page,registration page, membership list, this is the three pages that gets searched for key phrases to use in harvesting forums.

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    Anti spams won't stop all spam. There are services that solve captcha by humans, so no captcha can stop bots. Best way to stop is to have a new member application section. All new members have to make a post in specified format. Then some of the trusted members check these application and approve them. Like RSCA before hacking. We have to apply with a sample code to get accepted. Here no sample code needed, some some basic info will do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by !_1337_! View Post
    i have an idea. incorporate a CAPTCHA

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    not a bad idea tbh.

    my suggestion: have ranks within the forum that allow a posting mechansim accordingly. the newer guys have to wait 30s before posting, high ranks can post right away.
    lol i know that may sound ridiculous but just an idea.

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    dont know if this has been suggested but using a plugin such as stop forum spam will more than likely stop most of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VastlySuperior View Post
    I was on blackhat sites now for almost a year. There are many tools, software that will do this automated.

    The best way to stop them is to do what I suggested.

    This software use keywords you input to evaluate if a site is a forum and what type of forum it is. It is really easy to harvest a list through google about all websites related to the terms you specify. If my suggestion is implemented, you will get rid of the majority of this bots, obviously, those that already succeeded in finding this site will have it in their database, so for them you will have to do something else. Ip banning is not really a solution, as most blakhatters run`s off vpn or dedicated servers with a proxy list or proxy service they buy, and believe me, they spend a tremendous amount of money to have these tools and it works.

    But first to get a list they need to do a search which is also automated by specifying certain keywords and key phrases. Once you have changed what I suggested, you will have to let google and all other search engines re-index the site so that the cache they have of the site will be update otherwise they will find you anyway as the cache still has the old site. This spam is actually not done by a hardcore blackhatter that has been long in the game of making money,

    This is done by someone who just recently started using blackhat methods.

    For a hardcore blackhatter it is all about building a long time relationship with his audience as he wants repeat customers and not a once off shot in the dark, this is like using a shotgun and hoping you hit something, the hardcore blackhatter will visit all their targeted sites, evaluate the audience and then target them with spam that is geared towards the type of audience they wish to target. This site is dedicated to gaming and programming, the audience here is interested in these subjects, to bombard them with Viagra or handbags is a waste of time, the vcc and credit related topics might work, but if this was a truly dedicated blackhatter, he would have focused on things related to your interests like gaming, computer gear, software.

    Do what I suggested and you will stop the most off them, you will also have to include the membership list for the site to make that unique as well, front page,registration page, membership list, this is the three pages that gets searched for key phrases to use in harvesting forums.
    LOL. Ya, editing out the vBulletin sig with version number would help, but these aren't targeted.

    They are spamming backlinks to any possible forum to boost their standings in the SERPs.

    Simple Q&A would suffice like said before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Benny View Post
    Yeah i think somehow there should be maybe more mods
    Trust me, there are more than you think...

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    Quote Originally Posted by smurg View Post
    LOL. Ya, editing out the vBulletin sig with version number would help, but these aren't targeted.

    They are spamming backlinks to any possible forum to boost their standings in the SERPs.

    Simple Q&A would suffice like said before.
    To find backlinks, they need to search for for certain criteria, all the pages I have named need to be changed to stop that. You can`t find something if it is not the same as the criteria you are looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Ducksworthy View Post
    The SRL Member Moderation for users with under 5 Posts sounds like the best solution for now 2 me.
    Yea, I really think that would be the easiest..

    Quote Originally Posted by Grihmm View Post
    Until you have moderated on a forum, don't make threads asking for this kind of thing. It's not as easy as clicking a button. This happens on damn near every forum on the internet and it is very difficult to stop. You can make it harder for them, but if the spammer is skilled enough they can still do it no matter what you do. The best thing is to report it and ignore it.
    I'm a mod & admin of a few forums, not hard at all.

    Code:
    <SCRIPT language=JavaScript>
    	var message = "function disabled"; 
    	function rtclickcheck(keyp){ if (navigator.appName == "Netscape" && keyp.which == 3){ 	alert(message); return false; } 
    	if (navigator.appVersion.indexOf("MSIE") != -1 && event.button == 2) { 	alert(message); 	return false; } } 
    	document.onmousedown = rtclickcheck;
    </SCRIPT>
    some code I just found on like 20 google pages, lol.. works for blocking right click in firefox, chrome and IE haven't tested others but I assume they work

    however you can block scripts with addons, and IE does it by default..


    also the Q&A look like a big thumps up from everyone, and I like the forum protector idea. Along with what IPB does (the 5 posts or so requiring approval etc)
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    Javascript isn't serverside. You can't stop anyone or anything with javascript. It has a horrible design and is not secure at all.
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    Bot can browse with JS disabled. I suggest that you make JS required to do stuff on the page, so that they need to have JS on. They can't right click that way. I'm not even sure whether that's possible actually...
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    Quote Originally Posted by litoris View Post
    Bot can browse with JS disabled. I suggest that you make JS required to do stuff on the page, so that they need to have JS on. They can't right click that way. I'm not even sure whether that's possible actually...
    Bots don't use java script. They use HTTP POST method to submit data. There is no way we can force the use of java script as all communications done with POST or GET.

    Most bots won't load images on web page, so checking if user loads image is one way to detect bots, but that need custom coding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by litoris View Post
    Just an idea, you could ask for people's gender on the registration form, and the default dropdown would be adbot, and you'd manually have to choose male or female. If the registration ends with adbot, autoban.
    Not sure if anyone's seen this
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    Quote Originally Posted by litoris View Post
    Not sure if anyone's seen this
    That is a good suggestion from litoris, but not all bots will use the dropdown list, they can just randomly choose a gender without using the dropdown and give that as input to the field, most off them anyway works in that manner to just assign a random name,username, gender whatever....

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    To harvest forums is easy, just use scrapebox, this software is very powerful, if you know what you are doing you can harvest millions of forum or other pages which you target in minutes.

    To auto post on forums, there is so many off them, I`ll just show you a few, hxxp://www.autoforumposter.com/
    Instadigi
    xrumer
    SeNuke

    All these software works basically on the same way, if they can now what software you are using on the forum the program will do all the rest automatically, they just have to fill out what the message should be and the software do the rest.

    But first they need to know what software you are using for the site, so remove the giveaways to what software is running the site, and it don`t help to change just that, as that is not all they use, they use terms that is used commonly by these 3 pages I had mentioned, you don`t have to have in smf or vbulletin or whatever, they only search for terms that is always found on the default pages to harvest it and they know what software you are using and bam, they spam.

    It might be a bit off work but it will pay off in the long run. But if you want to know how to stop the spam, contact the blackhat forum moderators and ask them what they use to stop spam, because believe me, the forums I was on had NO spam. So there must be a way to protect your forum from spam. that works well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by masterBB View Post
    Javascript isn't serverside. You can't stop anyone or anything with javascript. It has a horrible design and is not secure at all.
    you can't stop right clicking serverside
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    Quote Originally Posted by grats View Post
    you can't stop right clicking serverside
    I am aware, it is the way the web was designed. It is bad, but you can't stop people from right clicking stuff. They also don't right click afaik anyway. They don't use a browser at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VastlySuperior View Post
    To find backlinks, they need to search for for certain criteria, all the pages I have named need to be changed to stop that. You can`t find something if it is not the same as the criteria you are looking for.
    From this post, you obviously don't know what backlinks are.

    And there's an array of search terms they use to find forums, it's not just searching "vBulletin". How about "showthread.php?p=" would find villavu.
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