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    There hasn't been much talk about gun policy by the president or other party members so I doubt there will be any kind of reform. There have only been a handful gun laws passed in the last several years. I know Bush signed a few and Obama has only signed one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr[S] View Post
    London is mostly knife related crime because it's easy to get a knife however its harder to kill 20 people with a knife than kill 20 people with a gun, US have got to the point of no return where people will still think carrying a gun is acceptable, until they fully border guns import/export then you will see a change
    I think the number of people killed is a non issue as I feel that the horror of the death of one innocent person is the same as 20.

    The weapon used is besides the point. A weapon can be used to kill many defenseless people as that chinese man has aptly demostrated. but what's happening to society that caused an honor grade student to lose all hope in life, and then proceed to kill his mum and her students.

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    There was also another shooting this morning in a hospital, luckily no one was mortally wounded, the gunman was killed.

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    So sad that there are some people in the world who think its okay to go around and killing people before then turning the gun on themselves. If you have depression or other life problems don't take it out on innocent people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imanoobbot View Post
    Seems like a great Killstreak. 3 More and he would have gotten the tactical nuke.
    Go back to playing runescape child.

    As for this...

    Quote Originally Posted by slushpuppy View Post
    The weapon used is besides the point. A weapon can be used to kill many defenseless people as that chinese man has aptly demostrated.
    If you had actually bothered reading the article, which clearly you did not, you would have seen that 20 something children were hospitalized and none of these children actually died. Needless to say, the damage would have been far greater if he had access to a gun.
    At least read the article before you aptly try to refer to something you haven't even bothered reading about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echo_ View Post
    Well clearly guns aren't the issue considering the knife attack in China.
    I would rather be hurt than killed, as all those victims in China were. Guns are a far superior murder weapon - it is far harder to kill the same amount with but a knife.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Runehack123 View Post
    Go back to playing runescape child.

    As for this...



    If you had actually bothered reading the article, which clearly you did not, you would have seen that 20 something children were hospitalized and none of these children actually died. Needless to say, the damage would have been far greater if he had access to a gun.
    At least read the article before you aptly try to refer to something you haven't even bothered reading about.
    Oh yes I love such progressive thinking right there mate. 20 injured children who could have permanently disabilities as a result of the attacks. It humors me when you even try to compare "damage" as if injuries or death can be measures on weighting scale.

    Of course you may not be capable of thinking that far ahead, so such a response tend that focus on one sensational issue without looking at the subject in a wider code is expected. Just like how you quoted only one sentence of my reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slushpuppy View Post
    Oh yes I love such progressive thinking right there mate. 20 injured children who could have permanently disabilities as a result of the attacks. It humors me when you even try to compare "damage" as if injuries or death can be measures on weighting scale.

    Of course you may not be capable of thinking that far ahead, so such a response tend that focus on one sensational issue without looking at the subject in a wider code is expected. Just like how you quoted only one sentence of my reply.
    None of those attacked were killed but 16 pupils were taken to hospital, two of whom were seriously injured. No motive has been given for the attack.

    Just think about what would have happened if that knife would have been a semi-automatic gun. The only reason why those children are still lucky to be alive is because you can do less damage with a knife compared to a semi-automatic. I'm not measuring injuries and death on a weighing scale, but if you would like to interpret it that way that's your opinion.

    Why are you even trying to argue about something if you still haven't read the article? You talk about 20 children who could/would have disabilities. If you had read the article you would see that this isn't the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runehack123 View Post
    None of those attacked were killed but 16 pupils were taken to hospital, two of whom were seriously injured. No motive has been given for the attack.

    Just think about what would have happened if that knife would have been a semi-automatic gun. The only reason why those children are still lucky to be alive is because you can do less damage with a knife compared to a semi-automatic. I'm not measuring injuries and death on a weighing scale, but if you would like to interpret it that way that's your opinion.

    Why are you even trying to argue about something if you still haven't read the article? You talk about 20 children who could/would have disabilities. If you had read the article you would see that this isn't the case.
    Oh don't structure arguments clearly based on hypothesis and your opinions, then later try to take it back by saying it is my prerogative to interpret as they so obviously are.

    Your scenario is so naive. I can also construct my own scenarios that favors my viewpoint like: Maybe if you banned guns in tha US, that student would have constructed a home made bomb that kills everyone in that building suddenly?

    Unfortunately this is real life, not in your fairy tale world. Knife wounds, especially slashing, would leave skin surface impressions even after healing. Don't forget mental trama after that. However feel free to assume that "non serious" injury automatically means the victim will have a full recovery after that.

    Maybe perhaps if you read my replies fully, then we wouldn't have this circular debate.

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    Other countries have looser gun laws than the US.
    Clearly some countries are better equipped to being given this liberty.

    It's always someone mentally unstable.
    If they're Anglo-Saxon they're mentally unstable. If they're African-American they're a gangbanger. If they're Latino they're in a cartel. There are stereotypes everywhere, doesn't mean they can all be lumped into the same basket. Some people are just sadistic.

    Criminals will acquire weapons illegally if you ban them.
    Here in Australia it is still possible to acquire a gun illegally, there is no doubt about that. But it's alot harder than if you or one of your relatives can purchase one with minimal questions asked because it is your right as a citizen.

    What about hunting.
    Go for it, there are people all over the world who acquire guns legally and go hunting but they don't shoot up a school because of their mental issues. Canada is your immediate neighbour and while hunting is a big part of their culture I've not heard of massacres like this.

    If we can't arm ourselves our crime rate will run free.
    Maybe you need to take a look at your society and culture as a whole if crime will run rampant without the need for every law abiding citizen to carry/own a weapon to feel safe. If you think this right is helping your freedom then you need to seriously think about what freedom is.

    If there are other common arguments that I've missed do let me know. I'm not even remotely saying that there aren't problems in the rest of the world, but put simply I do not hear about 20 or so children being gunned down in a school or wherever else in the rest of the world on a regular basis.

    The incident in China was horrific, don't get me wrong. Also a testament to how a person looking to harm others can and will without access to a firearm. But let's face it, 16 hospitalised is alot better than 20 dead. I'd rather live out my life with ailments than not even be able to see out my childhood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slushpuppy View Post
    Oh don't structure arguments clearly based on hypothesis and your opinions, then later try to take it back by saying it is my prerogative to interpret as they so obviously are.

    Your scenario is so naive. I can also construct my own scenarios that favors my viewpoint like: Maybe if you banned guns in tha US, that student would have constructed a home made bomb that kills everyone in that building suddenly?

    Unfortunately this is real life, not in your fairy tale world. Knife wounds, especially slashing, would leave skin surface impressions even after healing. Don't forget mental trama after that. However feel free to assume that "non serious" injury automatically means the victim will have a full recovery after that.

    Maybe perhaps if you read my replies fully, then we wouldn't have this circular debate.
    Calling me mate, saying I live in a fairy tale, telling me that I didn't even read your post and calling my 'whole scenario' naive is just proof of your disrespect towards my opinion.

    Not once did I state that these victims would have a full recovery or not suffer mentally from this experience so how are you even concluding that I feel this way?
    This isn't even an argument anymore, it's disrespectful and you're basing it on things I didn't say or do. In my POV you're trolling by deliberately misspelling words like trauma, making up lies and trying to start an argument with me. If a mod sees this I hope action will be taken against you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashaman88 View Post
    The real question is why are people killing people? Take away guns and people will still find ways to kill people. Granted maybe smaller scale (though it's pretty easy to make homemade bombs), but the real issue is why are people killing people? And what can we do to help fix it?
    I'm going with Ashaman. Cars cause more deaths than guns. Yet, people don't complain about cars as much as guns [from what i see]. Is this event tragic? Of course. Should something be done to prevent it from happening again? Yes. However, gun regulating would not change much. We need to focus on how to get the world out of this hell hole.

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    For all we know he could have mixed 2 household chemicals together to make a nerve gas ( I forget which 2 is it) and killed 500 children eating lunch. Does this now mean we have to ban cleaning chemicals?

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    Canadians own even more weapons per household than Americans
    This isn't true, don't believe everything you hear in documentaries.

    Maybe you need to take a look at your society and culture as a whole if crime will run rampant without the need for every law abiding citizen to carry/own a weapon to feel safe. If you think this right is helping your freedom then you need to seriously think about what freedom is.
    This is certainly not the attitude I have, and if someone has such an attitude, so what? Pretty soon you will be criticizing women for carrying Pepper Spray. Sure there is a difference between paranoia and safety, but owning/carrying a gun for safety is not paranoia.

    You're missing the overall point, criminals are criminals, they exist in every society. And it seems crime exists more in societies with strict gun laws more.

    Criminals will acquire weapons illegally if you ban them.
    Here in Australia it is still possible to acquire a gun illegally, there is no doubt about that. But it's alot harder than if you or one of your relatives can purchase one with minimal questions asked because it is your right as a citizen.
    If there were a ban on guns, there would be a massive black market for them, there likely isn't really a black market now because acquiring a gun is legal. You would only accomplish making it impossible for for citizens to own guns, and only marginally harder for criminals to get guns.

    How many crimes do you think never happened because there is a high possibility of the homeowner having a gun?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rjj95 View Post
    For all we know he could have mixed 2 household chemicals together to make a nerve gas ( I forget which 2 is it) and killed 500 children eating lunch. Does this now mean we have to ban cleaning chemicals?
    guns don't kill people, people kill people (with guns)


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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyRS View Post
    guns don't kill people, people kill people (with guns)
    Exactly what I'm saying. It's hard to argue about this with people because as usual liberals will just be like "WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH U DO YOU HATE THE 20 CHILDREN THAT DIED YOU DEVIL OH EM GEE"

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    For those arguing America's gun laws need to change, please tell me how well criminals obey laws. If we were to ban guns we'd take them from the good citizens and have no effect on the "bad guys". There are WAY to many ghettos to remove guns from. No, the law should not change.

    The real concern to me is that Westboro Baptist Church announced they'd picket the funerals of the deceased hours after the incident. Anonymous and other groups responded by ddosing their website, leaking their private information(including the founders social security number) and spreading awareness. We have so many sick sadistic citizens. I gave up on this country, completely. I have no "pride" for my country.

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    The majority of crimes in the US committed with guns are not committed by people that have obtained these guns legally. Yes, banning guns may reduce gun related crime. However, this will cause an increase in other crimes. Would you attempt to break into someones house and steal from them/rape them if there was a chance that they may have a gun? Look at the state of Texas. They have a low crime rate...Why? The majority of the citizens there carry guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjj95 View Post
    For all we know he could have mixed 2 household chemicals together to make a nerve gas ( I forget which 2 is it) and killed 500 children eating lunch. Does this now mean we have to ban cleaning chemicals?
    Exactly, just look at what took place at Columbine. The killers had crafted 2 bombs from propane tanks that if they had gone off, would have killed and injured the majority of the students in the cafeteria (over 500 students).

    Blaming guns for murder is like blaming pencils for spelling mistakes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echo_ View Post
    Exactly, just look at what took place at Columbine. The killers had crafted 2 bombs from propane tanks that if they had gone off, would have killed and injured the majority of the students in the cafeteria (over 500 students).

    Blaming guns for murder is like blaming pencils for spelling mistakes
    You can ask any non American citizen about guns and the same answer will come up, you can ask the same to an citizen of the states and the same answer will come up but vice versa, 39 people died last year in the UK due to gun related crimes, 9500 people died in the states due to gun related crime, calculating the facts that USA = x3 size of UK so 39x 3 = 117, 117 gun related crimes to 9500...yeah guns don't kill

    Edit - Sorry found out that its 1/5 population of USA so just add another 78 murders to that number already

    http://www.juancole.com/2011/01/over...-39-in-uk.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr[S] View Post
    You can ask any non American citizen about guns and the same answer will come up, you can ask the same to an citizen of the states and the same answer will come up but vice versa, 39 people died last year in the UK due to gun related crimes, 9500 people died in the states due to gun related crime, calculating the facts that USA = x3 size of UK so 39x 3 = 117, 117 gun related crimes to 9500...yeah guns don't kill

    Edit - Sorry found out that its 1/5 population of USA so just add another 78 murders to that number already

    http://www.juancole.com/2011/01/over...-39-in-uk.html

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    ^ Be fair, if heroin and meth were legal there would be tons more people using them. I would assume that banning guns would also reduce the amount of guns on the streets too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMWxi View Post
    ^ Be fair, if heroin and meth were legal there would be tons more people using them. I would assume that banning guns would also reduce the amount of guns on the streets too.
    Really? Take a look at the addiction rate and tell me you see a difference in the past say, 70 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by footballjds View Post
    Really? Take a look at the addiction rate and tell me you see a difference in the past say, 70 years?
    Yes, addiction has gone up. If it were legal, guess what? It would still go up, and probably faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr[S] View Post
    You can ask any non American citizen about guns and the same answer will come up, you can ask the same to an citizen of the states and the same answer will come up but vice versa, 39 people died last year in the UK due to gun related crimes, 9500 people died in the states due to gun related crime, calculating the facts that USA = x3 size of UK so 39x 3 = 117, 117 gun related crimes to 9500...yeah guns don't kill

    Edit - Sorry found out that its 1/5 population of USA so just add another 78 murders to that number already

    http://www.juancole.com/2011/01/over...-39-in-uk.html
    Please count how many of those are done by legit gun owners.. KTHXBAI

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